Mike Harding posted:

To directly answer your question; yes, it's possible.

Member - Olcoolone (S.A) posted:

"Any after-market chip, which will usually be produced by someone with very limited engineering resources."

Mike I think your answer is very naive, what makes you think these companys have very limited engineering resources.

Perhaps you should give Peter Luxon form APS a call and ask him about his backyard business....you might be able to give him some advice.

The aftermarket tunning industry is worth billions of dollars and it is not hard to find very good electronics engineers, software developers, programmers and mechanical engineers.

Most of the major vehicle manufactures turn to these companys if the want to do something special.

It might take thousands of hours to develop the software for new vehicles but it takes less time to optimise it.

So why do you think these companys have limited resources?

Modern diesel engines arn't that smart compared with modern petrol engines.

Why arn't you a fan of diesel tunning chips or is it that you just don't undersatnd them.

Regards Richard

Andrew Main posted:

Car companies go to huge lengths to cut costs on their vehicles whilst still trying to maintain quality. Do you honestly think that if they could get an extra 20% power without any effect on the lifetime of the engine they wouldn't do it?

It takes thousands of hours to write and _TEST_ software for new cars and EMS, there is a vast amount of effort that goes into ensuring the long term reliability of an engine and I wouldn't trust my new car to a couple of 20-something year old engineers messing around with the lookup tables in the EMS software.

Member - Olcoolone (S.A) posted:

So where do these twenty something year old engineers work?

Who are you refering to.

You must of got your information from somewhere.

Durability of an engine is a good one....if a engine maker only has a 20% power increase tolerance then there engine deserve to blow up.

Most vehicles are tuned to a less then optimin, there are alot of factors why vehicles are tuned that way.

NO tunning company will put a plug and play component on the market if it is going to cause damage.

Do you know of any chips that have caused damage and if so please tell.

Andrew Main posted:

Do tuning companies guarantee that their devices won't cause problems and will they replace my engine if they do?

Will a car manufacturer still honour the warranty if I replace the chip?

Member - Olcoolone (S.A) posted:

Most dealers and manufactures will still warrant the vehicle if it has a chip fitted, it has to be proven that the chip caused the issue.

If you can prove to the chip makers that there chip caused the problem then yes most will pay....that is why businesses have insurance.

DP Power Chip has on there web site that they will warrant any new vehicle with a full engine and drive train warranty.

I don't think you understand the chip thing for diesels very much, you aren't talking about hugh power gains.

I supose you can say that the manufacture will refuse warranty for having suspension upgrades, bigger wheels and tyres, exhaust or the extra weight most 4x4's have to carry......

Same thing goes for LPG / Diesel combination or what about biodiesel.

Most people forget about stat warrenties that are still enforceble even when the factory warrent expires.

Most of the time it is not a pimple faced uni drop out who designs chips but well established and set up companys with alot of experiance.

Have a look at companys like DP who are diesel specialist or Dtronics who is owned by Peter Luxon, the same person who owns APS and Safari 4x4 products...