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Submitted: Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 08:01

Mike Harding


Virtual slide rule
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AnswerID: 274492   Submitted: Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 08:07

Member - Leave_enough_space replied:

Errr - that would be me!

Calculators the size of a pasta making machine with a handle on the side for turning the wheels once you had slid the levers on the drums around to the right place!

Log tables (not for eating off!) and long multiplication before that. Every week in my primary school we had a 100 sum test. First challenge was to copy down all the sums correctly and neatly; second challenge (several days later) was to work out the sums correctly.

Hard at the time but what a great discipline for life.
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FollowupID: 538075   Submitted: Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 08:13

Mike Harding posted:

I clearly recall chanting the "times tables" (2 to 12) until we knew them all by heart - disliked it at the time but there's hardly been a day go by since then when I haven't used that knowledge. It pains me when youngsters in shops (2 of them in Rays - a few weeks ago) need a calculator to add $14 to $71.95.

Mike Harding
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FollowupID: 538115   Submitted: Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 12:35

Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) posted:

Something else thats diapeared is having your change counted back to you.

Also you should see the look on a kids face if say something costs
$7.35 youve got $20 and some change so you give them $22.35
They look at you like you are strange then ring it up with the tills that tell you the change then the look of understanding when it comes back $15.00
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AnswerID: 274497   Submitted: Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 08:27

obee replied:

ready reckoner for LSD

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AnswerID: 274502   Submitted: Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 08:40

Member - Lionel A (WA) replied:

Yep, remember slide rules well. Dividers,compass and protractor always in the school bag.

I still use a pencil and scrap timber to do calculations when on work sites.

The 3 "R"s are still the basis of a solid education....use them every day.

Cheers....Lionel.

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AnswerID: 274504   Submitted: Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 08:48

Member - John T (NSW) replied:

Morning Mike,

Your post reminds me that I'm getting to be "older" - only a young 58 but hey - there's lots out at the cemetery that never made it this far.

I have just dragged my old high school "Aristo - Trilog" slide rule out of the cupboard - dammed if I can recall how to use it these days and the instructions are long gone. No batteries to go flat in this ole thing. But one must move with the times I spose - maybe that's why I have reverted to using blackpowder in my shotguns and the cap and ball revolvers of course - definately more bang for ya buck.

Thanks for the memories and

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FollowupID: 538081   Submitted: Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 09:11

Mike Harding posted:

>Your post reminds me that I'm getting to be "older"

I know the feeling! :)

This site may help you remember how to use your slide rule:

Slide rule info

I still have a couple in the back of the cupboard too.

>I have reverted to using blackpowder in my shotguns

Interesting. Do you make your own? What sort of load and does it cause problems on modern barrels?

Mike Harding
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FollowupID: 538150   Submitted: Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 15:30

Member - John T (NSW) posted:

Mike,

Do I make my own? ( do you mean the shells themselves or the powder? - I use Wano brand black powder (German I think) to load my shotguns shells - about 80 grains behind 1 oz of shot for shooting clay targets. Lots of time involved in cutting the felt wads and removing the base and supports from the 1oz wads before putting the whole thing together.
Problems with modern barrels - none whatsoever - lots of folk seem to think that it must damage them but when I point out that their Grandfathers used BP in the damascus barrelled guns of old and did not have any problems. I also roll crimp some shells to 2 1/2 " for an old DB hammer gun that is only proofed for BP. Whenever I show up for a shoot as a visitor many shooters asked me these days "Did you bring some of those noisy ones with you?"
I've only very recently started into Single Action shooting and really enjoy using the 1860 Old Army replica's and the BP. Can't wait to be able to use the 1873 Peacemaker ones I've also got put in the club armourers safe.
Do you shoot yourself?

Cheers
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FollowupID: 538157   Submitted: Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 16:12

Mike Harding posted:

Hi John

I meant the black powder. Years ago my elder son (about 12 at the time) decided he would like to make some and blow things up - so I said, "OK, we'll do it together - that way you should still have all the limbs you started out with when we finish" :) We had a lot of fun with that - I think we created more smoke than bang but we blew a few tins etc up :) Later on he matured into filling garden gnomes with BP and blowing them up - curious to think he's now a respected member of society :)

I remember the Damascus barrels (before my time) and that they are only suitable for non nitro stuff.

I'm interested in the handguns you mention - I have little experience of the old handguns, perhaps you would tell me a little more about them if you have time? E-mail may be better.

>Do you shoot yourself?

Been licenced in a few countries for about 38 years - occasionally I even hit something :) I used to shoot clays quite a bit but rarely do these days - I do a bit of pest shooting in the bush and I'm the chief scurge of tin cans with my Gamo air rifle :)

Mike Harding

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FollowupID: 538165   Submitted: Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 17:20

mfewster posted:

When John T says "Do you shoot yourself?" I presume that what he actually means is..........

My first after school job was in the cheque clearance section of the Commonwealth Trading Bank and there were rows and rows of those old hand crank operated adding machines, that looked very like the old "Fruit machines" that came before modern pokies.
I well remember books of log tables at school and the pages and pages of formulae we had to learn by heart in senior maths. Actually, I tell a lie, I never could learn them. Do we also remember the spring or pneumatic systems that used to wizz around the big department stores sending money and change to a central point? Loved them.
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FollowupID: 538168   Submitted: Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 17:55

Member No 1 posted:

blackpowder shooters are nuts...hahaha
bloody dirty gunk makes one hands dirty
and thats before you even clean your gun.......

I'll stick to WST thanks

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FollowupID: 538171   Submitted: Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 18:05

Member - John T (NSW) posted:

That may be true number 1 but WST does not give that safisfying boom and the great clouds of smoke. And I can clean the handguns in the kitchen sink as there is no SWMBO to tell me off.

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FollowupID: 538174   Submitted: Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 18:48

Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses posted:

Mike, have a friend who wrote the Worksafe manual for firing a cannon using black powder. He bought a government surplus stock and fires a shot every weekend over summer for tourists. Loves the smell too.

They tell a story of the time a shell was fired in anger from that fortification - toward a public house where the captain of the guard was ejected the previous night. The only damage done was broken windows from the percussion.

Fantastic percussion actually standing forward of the barrel, before you hear the explosion. WHHOOOOMMMM
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FollowupID: 538175   Submitted: Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 18:49

Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses posted:

Oh, yes I have a slide rule too and remember having to budget for my first calculator!
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FollowupID: 538255   Submitted: Sunday, Dec 02, 2007 at 09:30

Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) posted:

MN1 One of the locals from kal was known to clean his BP in bed...................
Didnt please his missus much but i guess she got used to it
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FollowupID: 538256   Submitted: Sunday, Dec 02, 2007 at 09:32

Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) posted:

Blow the WST never did pour as well
ive still got some 452AA i picked up from the back of the gunshops store shed
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FollowupID: 538281   Submitted: Sunday, Dec 02, 2007 at 12:32

Member No 1 posted:

now that is rough...cleaning it in bed..hahaha


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FollowupID: 538352   Submitted: Monday, Dec 03, 2007 at 00:07

disco1942 posted:

If you go to the top of the page (the one produced by the link in the original message) there is a link "Gallery Index." click on that and then click on "Slide Rule Calculations by Example" - this will brush up your slide rule operating. There are also links to other slide rules.

PeterD
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AnswerID: 274537   Submitted: Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 12:46

Member - big bo (NSW) replied:

Yes I lovingly look at my circular and straight slide rule from time to time and am thankfull that I can use a calculator now, however the knowledge gained with the slide rule where you had to have some idea of the answer has come in very handy when making a mistake with the calculator.
It makes me all nostalgic thinking about those great young days.

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AnswerID: 274568   Submitted: Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 17:50

Member No 1 replied:

have one in my fall front bureau.....not exactly as antique as the bureau but....its in almost new condition

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FollowupID: 538170   Submitted: Saturday, Dec 01, 2007 at 18:00

Member - John T (NSW) posted:

G'day number 1

You are a lucky ba...d to have the antique fall front mate - when my Dad passed away big brother got the drop front desk I had covetted for many years. So did I sit in the corner and sulk - no way. I grabbed the Qld maple I had been storing for over 20 years and made my own - and even if I do say so - it's a far better desk than the original - more secret hidy holes for starters hehe and I made it myself - heaps of satisfaction there I can tell you.

And the Aristo Trilog slide rule - still has my initials on it in green pen.

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AnswerID: 274640   Submitted: Sunday, Dec 02, 2007 at 08:19

Ray replied:

Yes I remember slide rules. Had one for years but forgot how to use it now. Things have moved on, some for better some for worse. Like verniers. The newer ones have dial gauges on them. Mine hasn't but my eyes are not too good these days so I quite often borrow my son's. Computers have changed as well. Any one ever seen the computer in Bletchly park?
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