Waeco snobbed me off
Submitted: Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 10:51
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Member - Jason
Hi, I very rarely complain (life is too short for that) but.....
I bought a Thermo-electric 'waeco from their 'Seconds Outlet' - I KNOW....2 MISTAKES..... 1. A thermoelectric 2. A 2nd's outlet..... The thing is it was advertised as a 240volt/12 VOLT cooler but the kicker is it won't start up on 12v systems with anything under 13.1 volts (works fine on 240v).
I took it back to the factory only to have them say I bought the wrong product for the application I was using. This I accepted but when asking for a refund or trade-in on an upgrade (& mentioning that it should be advertised as a 240v/13.1v cooler) they bluntly said no.
In short (with the question mark over false advertising) I would have thought they would have at lease allowed me to return it for an upgrade (no money out of their pocket).
Cheers
Jason
Ps. I also have an Engel that has never let me down :-)
Reply By: Best Off Road - Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 12:14
Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 12:14
Jason,
I offer this advice as someone who spent the last few years of being employed (until 2007) as a specialist in Retail Legal Compliance.
I have had a look at the Waeco site and the Thermo's clearly state, Power: 12V/240V. If it won't run on 12V it fails to fulfill its intended function and does not meet the seller's claims. You are entitled to a refund, no ifs or maybes.
Put this to them and if they still won't budge, contact the Office of Fair Trading.
If I can help, give me a call on 0411 874406.
Regards,
Jim.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason - Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 12:28
Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 12:28
Hi Jim,
Thanks for your feed back. As I am not a huge complainer & the thing only cost $200 bucks I'm not prepared to take the next step - my belief is that It should have been rectified in the first instance (in a perfect world, I know).
Thanks again.
Cheers
Jason
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Reply By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) - Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 12:41
Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 12:41
Jason, firstly you should of not bought a thermo-electric fridge, we sell very few of them and do not recommend them to our customers.
The second thing if Waeco advertisers that a product will run of 12 volts and it doesn't then you have a claim for a product that is 'not fit for purpose" namely it will NOT run of a 12 volt supply.
Waeco still have warrant the product even if you brought it through their second
shop.
The problem is if you deal direct of a manufacturer you are dealing with the manufacturer only and you do not have the support of a dealer who may go in and bat for you!
Check with your local consumer affairs because there are still statuary warrants that do apply...even if a manufacturer or dealer says they don't or try and change the warrant out side your rights.
It is very very difficult to get around consumer laws.
Regards Richard
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Reply By: Top End Explorer Tours - Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 13:06
Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 13:06
Jason I think you are sending mixed messages, on a different thread you told Avan
Adelaide that what he wrote about bagging companies on an public
forum was
well written, yet here you are bad mouthing Waeco, for what I believe is probable your fault.
Lets nut out the facts.
1 : Did you ask the salesman/woman if this would do what you want ?
2 : Did you take a quick look and said this is cheap I'll grab that, then latter find out it wasn't what you wanted ?
3 : Did you tell the salesman/woman what you wanted and they gave you this product that wasn't what you wanted ?
4 : Did you research the product before you went there or did you research it while you were there ?
5 : Does it work on 12v but not the way you thought it might, and now you are disappointed, because you didn't research the product properly.
When I buy something of expense I research what I want, then I look for the product that suits what I want, then I buy the right product for the job.
I wouldn't buy a product from an out let because it looked good on the day, then take it back tomorrow because it wasn't what I thought it was.
Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason - Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 14:23
Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 14:23
Thanks for your comments Steve, however, i think you are confused. I did write that i made a mistake in buying that product but IT WAS ADVERTISED AS A 240V/12V COOLER AND IT DOES NOT 'START OPERATING' UNLESS IT HAS 13.1 VOLTS. That is my complaint.
If you are still confused, please read my threads more closely.
In regards to my reply '
well written', i am not in conflict - i am not bagging Waeco products, I am disappointed at their response to my complaint.
Cheers
Jason
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Follow Up By: Top End Explorer Tours - Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 14:48
Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 14:48
Firstly I did read you post properly, secondly there is no need to YELL thirdly you are bagging the company which is what the other tread was about.
Does it work on 12v yes then there is no false advertising.
Is there a reason you didn't answer the questions I asked ?
Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason - Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 17:40
Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 17:40
Hi Steve,
I wasn't yelling, just trying to get a point across. It does not 'start' on 12v, it needs at least 13.1v before it will operate (even the technician told me that when i took it back - he even said that they (technicians) have warned the sales staff to make that point clear), finally I didn't think i HAD to answer your questions.
As i said, i'm not bagging Waeco products just the service. Accepting that or not is your choice.
Cheers
Jason
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 20:43
Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 20:43
Steve,
Jason said it DID NOT run on 12 volt.
It doesn't do what it is sold to him to do.
Very simple.
And why would he answer your totally IRRELVANT questions?
Jim
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Follow Up By: Member - Jason - Monday, May 12, 2008 at 07:07
Monday, May 12, 2008 at 07:07
Hi Jim,
Thanks for that. I thought I may have been typing in a different language there for a while. lol
Thanks again
Jason
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Follow Up By: Rossco td105 - Monday, May 12, 2008 at 22:03
Monday, May 12, 2008 at 22:03
G'day guys,
I would like to think that a
shop(any product) would be able to give all the information about a product without me having to completely research said product before I walked through the front door. I know this has nothing to do with price etc...
I guess such product knowledge/assistance is becoming harder to find these days.
Sounds like the product doesn't perform in the way you would reasonably expect it to.
Good luck,
Ross.
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Reply By: Member - Frank (QLD) - Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 19:42
Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 19:42
Firslty, let me say that I have always fond Waeco EXCELLENT to deal with.
Not only from a pre-sales point of view but also a POST Sales point of view.
I have bought a lot of fridges over the years from them also and do not have any personal relationships that make them treat me any different from anyone else in the public.
I would be surprised if it wont start the motor without 31.1 Volts.
If this is the case, then legally, they MUST give you an alternative solution under the trade practices act. There is a section you should quote to them called "NOT FIT FOR THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH IT WAS SOLD"
It is up to the sales person to prove that they advised you that it would NOT work in the way that you intended to use the product at the time of purchase.
Go back there - ask for someone reasonably senior - find out if the person you spoke to Is in fact correct in that it is supposed to require 13.1V to start - if that is a FACT - then quote the above and ask for an upgrade or your money back.
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 21:03
Sunday, May 11, 2008 at 21:03
Hi Frank
Jason said it is a thermo elect fridge ,it does not have a moter!!
It does not need under or over voltage protection for itself but it may be designed as said early to protect battery when engine not running,agood idea really.
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