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diesel engine, enconomy towing?

Submitted: Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 21:23

V8 Troopie

My troopy has the 6.2 Brunswick V8 diesel. Plenty of grunt.
Planning to tow a heavy boat (~2500kg) for about 3000km.
Assuming a level stretch of road and maintaining a speed of 85kmh, is it more economical to do that in 4th or 5th gear? The troopy will tow equally easily in either gear in the above scenario.
Klaus
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AnswerID: 307396   Submitted: Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 21:41

Steve replied:

can't honestly say I'm familiar with the Troopy as I've never driven one but I don't think many vehicles like being towed in 5th gear

Mine seems to perform ok in 5th too - but it doesn't do the driveshaft???? much good. I'm sure somebody will explain better than I.
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FollowupID: 573345   Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 13:45

Member - Royce posted:

As far as I understand, 5th gear is just another gear. If the going is easy then 5th gear is used like all the others.

Interested in other responses 'cos I've used 5th towing ever since 5th gears were available.. can't think of any problems..

cheers Royce
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AnswerID: 307397   Submitted: Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 21:42

Eric Experience replied:

Klaus.
The 5th gear probably won't last that long, so 4th will turn out cheaper in the long run. Eric.
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AnswerID: 307402   Submitted: Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 22:05

mechpete replied:

don,t tow it in 5th , you will be repairing the
gearbox
mechpete
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FollowupID: 573266   Submitted: Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 22:48

V8 Troopie posted:

Thanks for your reply, its not exactly what I asked is it?

I am aware about the 5th gear weakness but it has held together for 10 years and many thousand k's towing the above load - towing smaller boat before that for about 5 years. Had this troopy for 17 years now with no gearbox problems but it did wreck a rear diff once,
I DO drive carefully when towing, no sudden load changes or gearbox straining.
Klaus
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AnswerID: 307417   Submitted: Monday, Jun 02, 2008 at 23:18

Topcat (WA) replied:

Hi Klaus, I have found with my Troopie (6.5 Chevy) that towing at 90km & keeping your revs around the 2000 mark and in 5th gear gives me the best economy .This is the best economy rev range of the chevy as I was told when fitted. Contrary to other peoples' comments, I also haven't had any gearbox problems towing in 5th. gear since I had the chevy fitted (17years ago) and drop down a gear (or 2) if the engine tend to labour on steep hills. Cheers.
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FollowupID: 573276   Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 00:19

V8 Troopie posted:

Thanks for that reply Topcat, appreciate it. I have been towing similarly to you all these years. Its just the engine is getting a bit noisy when keeping 4th gear past 80kmh that one wants to change up a notch. Noise insulation is not a feature on the early troopies.

With diesel prices going up and up I just had to ask if I might get a better enconomy keeping the beast in 4th gear all the time. Its going to be a long tow (Perth to Wyndham & back) so every little bit helps. We'll be keeping the speed down to 85kmh max, revs around 2000max and use 5th gear when the road is level & no head wind.
Klaus
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FollowupID: 573280   Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 00:36

Member - Doug T (FNQ) posted:

Topcat
Exactly my ideas too, sensible driving , don't force it , and the gear box is there to use, your spot on,

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AnswerID: 307435   Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 00:47

Gone Bush (WA) replied:

V8 Troopie,

I've got a TDV8 trayback Cruiser and I have fitted a Scangauge. This plugs into the On Board Diagnostic port and gives all sorts of readouts including instant litres per 100kays.

On a long stretch towing my van (about 2500kg) I conducted some tests. I towed at 90kph in 5th, and at 90kph in 4th. Naturally RPM in 5th was lower than RPM in 4th and the expectation was that my scangauge would show a higher fuel consumption in 4th because of this higher RPM.

In actual fact the fuel consumption was IDENTICAL. This is because the engine is working easier in 4th. Towing in 5th makes the engine work harder. Fifth gear is on the wrong side of 1:1 and is designed for loping along without any load on the engine.

So, in order to prevent any damage to my 5th gear, I tow in 4th all the time now; and my scangauge has proven, to my satisfaction, that I'm not using more fuel.



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FollowupID: 573388   Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 17:44

Member - Warfer (VIC) posted:



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AnswerID: 307441   Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 02:25

tukka replied:

Heading to Wyndham ay, for a holiday or visiting someone? Excellent place to launch boat mate, fishing there is highly under rated, lived there for many years, best kept secret of the north if ya ask me. People just dont get to see some of the things that are there to be seen.
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AnswerID: 307478   Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 10:09

F4Phantom replied:

I have had 2 bmws with the instant fuel analog guage. What I have observed is that a car in a higher gear uses less fuel than a lower gear, eg 4th or 5th. Amazingly even with the 4th revving smoothly with lowish revs, the 5th still uses less under a lot of pressure and the engine spluttering with peddle floored. So to me the answer is a taller gear uses less fuel under any situation.
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AnswerID: 307497   Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 12:10

Outa Bounds replied:

In different cars wouldn't it also depend on gear ratios? I know some people change them at the same time when installing a Brunswicks Chev.

I know with the first car we did it with, hubby had them changed, it was a troopy, and all I know is that after the conversion you could generally take off in 2nd gear rather than 1st.
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AnswerID: 307517   Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 14:23

Steve replied:

I have spoken several mechanics on this issue. I suggest you do te same because some of these answers are what people want to think - not what is good for the car. You'll even find that a car travelling in 5th, particularly against a headwind is using at least as much fuel as in 4th.

Speak to somebody who is qualified to answer.
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FollowupID: 573424   Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 20:33

Ianw posted:

There is absolutely no better qualifications than 17 years experience!! All the paperwork in the world does not make a mechanic the best person to talk to. They are all itching to prove that their papers mean everything but unless they have the relevant experience, don't necessarily believe a word they say!!!!
Listen to the people who KNOW they are right.

Ian
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FollowupID: 573441   Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 03, 2008 at 21:09

Steve posted:

I've had well over 30 years experience which tells me that I don't KNOW everything. If a mechanic who I have known and grown to trust over the years tells me it won't do the car much good I listen. Can't see why it would be in his interests to say so.

But you obviously KNOW bettter. Thanks for your advice of 17 years experience.
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