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Toyota has high quality, low appeal

Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 18:06

Member - Mike DID

Some quotes from drive -
Link to drive.com.au article

"Toyota came sixth in the quality survey, it slumped to 26th in the APEAL study, finishing well below the industry average"

"brands that scored poorly in the Initial Quality Study scored well in the APEAL Study. Prime examples are Land Rover, Mini and Volkswagen, which all scored above the industry average in the APEAL study but scored well below industry average in the Initial Quality Study"

"Jeep had the dubious distinction of collecting the worst combined ranking. It was ranked last in quality and 3rd last in appeal."

"Surprisingly, Suzuki and Subaru, which are both well liked and respected brands in Australia, finished last and second-last respectively in the survey."

Mike R
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AnswerID: 313479   Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 18:34

Member - Axle replied:


These idiots have not mentioned value for money!!!!!, which ii think most average working australians consider first., That would put toyo, suby, and susuki back on top of the pile!, Ever priced parts for an Audi????.

Cheers Axle.
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FollowupID: 579522   Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 18:41

EscapeArtists posted:

yeah it makes you wonder where these surveyors actually get there info sometimes
Remember, today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday.
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FollowupID: 579539   Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 19:56

Stephen M (NSW) posted:

Axle referring to Audi, ths is going back over 12 months ago, I did a coolant fluch on the hilux, changed coolant etc and thought maybe I should change thermostat as well (was going to high country), had been a while since I changed it. Went to Toyota got thermostat, gasket etc $15 thought I'll call in and see wife at work on way home. Went in thermostat in hand showed her where her money had gone (usual response, what's that ??) Her boss walks out, nice bloke says to me watch ya doing, ah just going to change thermostat. He looked at it and said is that the part, Yep I said, he said your kidding me, are they all the same for all cars, I said I would presume similiar but all work on the same basis, keep the engine at certain temp. He says to me yeah myn jammed shut in the Audi in getting done now A4 quattro (spelling). $1300 !!! WTF was my response, you sure you didnt do damage to the heads (V8) or some thing for that price. He said na, bloody thermostat is located in under the inlet manifold and had to pull half the top end off to get to it, (your've got to be kidding me). Have to be a bloody loaded to keep up the repairs to the thinh. He has no end of trouble with it. Even if I had the $$ would be the last car I would buy. Maybe he got a lemon I dont know but I wouldnt be willing to chance it. Regards steve M

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AnswerID: 313499   Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 20:08

Benno77 replied:

Don't know if i can agree with you there. We all know that toyota build a good 4wd but as far as bang for your buck I think the landcruiser is the worst purley because there just so damn expensive. Im looking to buy new and have decided on the patrol purley because of the difference in purchase price. The Nissan has all the good points of the landcruiser (reliability, durability, off road ability etc) but I find it hard to justify such a difference in price.
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FollowupID: 579545   Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 20:19

EscapeArtists posted:

God forbid this post doesnt enter into a Landcruiser Vs Patrol Debate LOL!!
Lets face it, Both are the big name 4x4's and I wouldnt be in a hurry to bag either one of em, especially here ;-)
Remember, today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday.
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FollowupID: 579546   Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 20:21

Member - Mike DID posted:

"Don't know if i can agree with you there. "

????? I didn't write any of this ! I clearly wrote it's a quote and put quotation marks around each sentence.
Mike R
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FollowupID: 579556   Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 20:57

Corio posted:


BENNO

Dont want to enter into the cruiser patrol argument but from what ive heard and read lately the patrol will certainly give you
a "BANG" for your buck.

Cheers
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FollowupID: 580127   Submitted: Sunday, Jul 06, 2008 at 08:37

Benno77 posted:

Im not starting a cruiser/patrol debate here, my company vehicle is a landcruiser and it is simply an awsome machine the V8 turbo diesle is in a class of its own. But what I am saying is that how can they be seen to represent good value for money if the average joe can't even afford to buy one. If you read almost any artical about the landcruiser some mension is made towards the high purchase cost of these beasts.
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AnswerID: 313507   Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 21:19

Member - Glen O (WA) replied:

Buying a new TOYota is about as interesting as buying a new fridge or washing machine! They might be reliable but have no character.
White goods on Wheels!

Glen.
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FollowupID: 579571   Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 22:04

Krakka posted:

Hi Glen, Wouldn't have thought any new 4wd has charachter. Character is built over time, scratches, dents etc. 60 series has more appeal to look at, and more character. It is older.
Cheers Krakka
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FollowupID: 579689   Submitted: Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 16:30

pjd posted:

did i read the new 200 sereis reliable sshh dont mention the fuel pump????
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AnswerID: 313533   Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 02, 2008 at 22:39

Member - Phil G (SA) replied:

American Surveys have nothing to do with the way Australians think (thank god for that :-))
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FollowupID: 579639   Submitted: Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 10:09

ross posted:

x2 American ideas on what constitutes a good vehicle are way different to Australians and most other nationalities.
Thats why only a small number of US made vehicles vehicles ever reach our shores.
However the fuel costs are having a big impact there,maybe more so than here
Americans are now beginning to look at small fuel misers like Hyundais
Soon the monster trucks will go the way of the dynosaur.
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AnswerID: 313609   Submitted: Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 13:41

TerraFirma replied:

Perhaps Appeal and Quality don't go together..! I personally place quality and reliability first, appeal 2nd. Years ago a Range Rover had plenty of appeal if you were buying 2nd hand after they'd already dropped half their initial buy price but the quality never allowed me to buy one. I bought my wife in 1998 a Toyotal GXV V8 Cruiser , now done 270,000km's , replaced batteries and starter motor, that has been it. Nowdays it's biggest negative is fuel economy and perhaps a little outdated style.

I personally think the new cruiser is appealing and would buy one, still wouldn't buy a Mercedes 4WD nor a Range Rover, perhaps the BMW X5 Diesel..?

Personally I would place the Toyota up there with being the most reliable product you can buy, not necessarily the most appealing. IMO (Appeal is in the eye of the beholder and shouldn't be confused with Status Symbols..!) LOL
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AnswerID: 313635   Submitted: Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 16:33

Stu-k replied:

Toyo out sold em all again this month
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FollowupID: 579692   Submitted: Thursday, Jul 03, 2008 at 16:36

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