Canning distances

Submitted: Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 14:17
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What I thought would be a simple exercise has become confusing.

I am trying to work out my fuel usage for doing the Canning. Distances vary depending on what internet site I visit. ExploreOz is saying:
Wiluna to Kunawarritji is 980Km's
Kunawarritji to Halls Creek is 850Km's

If this is the case then I am cruising with fuel (165 litres on board and a 60 litre collapsible bladder).

BUT other sites are saying distances up to:
Wiluna to Kunawarritji is 1434Km's
Kunawarritji to Halls Creek is 1329Km's

Obviously the calculations for fuel usage are much different. I am wary of the fuel trek info on this site also as it looks like it hasn't been quality checked with similar vehicles using a vastly different amount of fuel.

Anyway I know the fuel usage I did across the Simpson so doing the maths is simple. I realise that there would be side treks etc but 900kms of them?? Can someone who has done the trip just confirm for me the distances?

thanks in advance.
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Reply By: Peter McG (Member, Melbourne) - Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 14:25

Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 14:25
The info in the EO treknotes is accurate so you should be OK with 225l.

Have a good trip and don't fill up at Cotton Ck - $4 this year!

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Reply By: Gossy - Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 15:10

Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 15:10
Cotton Creek? Haven't heard of that place. Will get on the internet now to have a look!

I was planning to drive across from Adelaide, fill up at Kalgoorlie, top up at Wiluna, do the Canning, fill up at Halls Creek and then take the Tanami track back home to Adelaide.

Thanks for the info on distances. Feeling confortable with the amount of fuel I will be taking considering my GQ is the old 2.8td, it's very cheap to run (13 litres / 100km across the Simpson; double crossing). I was working on 15 litres / 100km as though the track has less dunes I will be carrying more weight though.

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Reply By: Gossy - Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 15:11

Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 15:11
forgot to ask. Apparantly credit cards are risky in some places and it's better to take cash for fuel. Is this right?

Not a problem but with the price of fuel these days I would hope I wouldn't get mugged!
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Follow Up By: Member - George (WA) - Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 19:36

Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 19:36
Credit cards OK at Wiluna and Kunawitjira, Lost the spelling but you know the place I mean
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Reply By: Time - Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 15:21

Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 15:21
Did Wiluna to Kunawarritji in July this year in a 4.2td GU IV Nissan, distance was just on 980 ks by my odo, with no side trips. Used around 17.86l/100 ks. Diesel atKunawarritji was $3.20/l!
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky, the "Mexican"- Friday, Nov 14, 2008 at 09:57

Friday, Nov 14, 2008 at 09:57
Time
We get those figures towing our camper, on the black stuff, 4.3 Tonne all up.
Cheers for the distances, but we want to be able to get 1200 km before refueling, then all is ok.

Am expecting to go down to 4.2 to 4.5 lt /km in the Canning, next year, and I will be towing our camper. Am at present doing all the preparation.

We are going due west from Alice, on the Gary Junction Road, to well 33, and fuel up and head Nth, do the Kimberley's, Broome, down the coast to approx Karatha, and back in thru the Pilbra, back to well 33, and back down the CSR, to well 5, where we will turn off, to Wiluna.
Will go back to Alice via the Gunbarrel, pick up the Surveyor General's Corner, and on th Uluru, and back out to the Painted Desert, and home.

Approx 12,000 km,
Economy
Cost $$$$
Who Cares, it's gunna hurt anyway

Cheers
Bucky
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Reply By: Gossy - Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 15:23

Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 15:23
brilliant. That matches the trek notes here then.

ta,
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Reply By: Member - Phil B (WA) - Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 16:15

Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 16:15
HI Gossy

The reason for the discrepancies may well be that there are many options on the CSR i.e. going to all the wells, visiting Calvert Range, Diebel Hills, Separation Well and various native wells and so on can add hundreds of kms. So do simple things like driving off to get some fire wood.

I am hoping to do the CSR again next year and so far my planning says I will be covering 3050 kms from H Creek to Wiluna.

Sadly doing the CSR is not just a single track and away you go. Plan your fuel carefully.

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Follow Up By: Gossy - Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 16:25

Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 16:25
yep, good point. No point going all this way and miss out on all the other stuff this route can offer.
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 16:15

Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 16:15
Gossy,

Cotton Creek is in Rudall River National Park. When you get to Georgia Bore turn left and it is about 1h 30m drive. Diesel only and cash only and yes it was $4.00 per lt.

I have worked on using about 160lt to Well 23, Capricorn Roadhouse fuel drop. At Well 46 I would have used another 180lt. Swapping to the 90lt tank will get me to Billiluna. The fuel used is in a 78 series RV Turbo Diesel. Other vehicle that have been away with me on this trip have used less and some more. A lot depends on the way the vehicle is driven, auto or manual and the weight of the vehicle. I also do most of the side tracks, Durba Springs, Calvert Range and Braeden Pool.

Forget about credit cards cash only, and just before you are about to leave on the trip check how much fuel has gone up.

I spoke to the owner of Capricorn Roadhouse in September this year and he told me that fuel drops from Capricorn Roadhouse will be happening next year.

I feel it is better to have a bit more fuel than required than not enough and to fill up when fuel is available

Wayne

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Follow Up By: Gossy - Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 16:29

Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 16:29
agree on the fuel. I'm hoping that 225 litres will be enough but plenty of time to work this out. Might have to take one extra jerry can just in case.

having the bladder for fuel will be a good bonus. Can't roll up an empty jerry can!

Looks like you are running ST or STC's on your photo. They went OK? I have STC's are very happy with them.
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Follow Up By: Wayne (NSW) - Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 16:41

Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 16:41
Gossy,

That photo was taken in 2007, the year I had Cooper ST. The other 3 trips on the Canning I have had Cooper STT.

Wayne
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Follow Up By: rocco2010 - Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 18:34

Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 18:34
Never mind the $4 a litre .. the track from Georgia Bore to Cotton Creek is probably as bad as any I encountered in that area this year.
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Reply By: ExplorOz - Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 18:36

Thursday, Nov 13, 2008 at 18:36
Gossy,

The ExplorOz distance data is as accurate as you can get. We extract the entire driving distance and directions information from GPS driven plot files taken whilst travelling the route. I can fully vouge for the one that was used to build the trek note because I drove it. We visited every well and if you use the notes provided on the system you will only find a very small difference between your odo and ours. Ah the joys of GPS technology. Have a great trip and please do let us know if you find any errors however on the Canning Stock Route notes you should not find any issues at all.

As for the trek fuel - you are right we have not fully checked every entry however the system works on averages so the more data we have the cleaner the overall result (which is what is shown on the trek note itself) will be. You have to remember some have trailers or vans etc (this will effect the numbers), there are hundreds of variances and hence the reason we sum it all and work off the averages. Please load up your results when you get back to help out the next series of travellers.

Enjoy your trip and take care.
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Follow Up By: Gossy - Friday, Nov 14, 2008 at 09:16

Friday, Nov 14, 2008 at 09:16
cheers,
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