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Submitted: Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 07:28

samh

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Hi all. My husband, 2 children (2 & 4 years) and I are looking to go around Australia in February for 9ish months. We were looking at a Winnebago Longreach and purchased John & Jan Taits Explore Australia by Caravan & Motorhome but now we have so many questions - like will our Winnebago get us all the way around (especially from Cairns to Katherine)? Or are we better off looking at a 4wd and off-road caravan? and is this option suitable with such young kids? We love the idea that the Winnebago is self-sufficient with no real 'set-up' downtime, but we don't want to be limited to where we can go......

We would really appreciate any feedback you can give us, purchasing our vehicle/s is such a big commitment, we just want to get it right!

Samh

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AnswerID: 338758   Submitted: Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 07:50

Willem replied:

Samh

To begin with the road around the block is bitumined all the way. So here your Winnebago will be fine.

If you intend going to out of the way places or travels some gravel roads then a 4x4 and caravan could be the answer or you could buy a nice camper trailer instead of a caravan.

It really depends what you want to do.

Recently I spoke with a Winnebago Owner and he was upset that his Winnebago could not get to all the places he would have liked to visit because of height and width clearance of his vehicle

Think about whast you want to do carefully and then make a decision. This Forum will give you all types of answers to choose from.


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AnswerID: 338761   Submitted: Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 08:06

samh replied:

Hi Willem,

Thanks for the speedy response. Biggest problem at the moment is we don't really know where/what we want to do, we just want to get on the road and see as much as possible. This being the case, we want the most flexible set-up possible....
Do you know what kind of areas your friends winnebago couldn't access? Would towing a 4wd for day trips solve this?

Sam.
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FollowupID: 606294   Submitted: Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 09:40

Willem posted:

Sam

Mainly bushtracks to places this bloke wanted to go to. Towing a small 4x4 behind(on a trailer or A-frame) would do the trick and the Winnebago would make it comfortabe travel without the need of setting up camp every night.


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AnswerID: 338762   Submitted: Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 08:15

Wayne (NSW) replied:

Samh,

I would have to agree with Willem about the places a Winnebago can go.

You plan a trip for about 9 months and then when you get home you have got a vehicle that is not that practical to go to the shops for a pint of milk. Also the 2yo would still be in a child seat, I don't know how the Winnebago is set up for a child seat?

Most of the people that I see in the Winnebagos are "Grey Nomads" and they have chosen to see Australia on a long term basis following the sun and staying on the main roads.
With the age of your children you will have to drop the kids off to school one day. I don't think that you can come back in 13 years time to pick them up again.LOL.

A good size 4WD, turbo diesel with a off road camper would allow you to see most of Australia and the rest you can do by having a base camp where the camper is unhitched and a bit more exploring can be done with a tent or swag.

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FollowupID: 606289   Submitted: Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 08:58

Old Gold posted:

Why do you need a four wheel drive to travel on gravel roads???
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FollowupID: 606295   Submitted: Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 09:44

Wayne (NSW) posted:

Old Gold,

I did not mean to imply that only a 4WD can go on dirt roads, but if you want to see as much as of Australia as you possibly can, with both feet on the ground, then a 4WD is the way to go.

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FollowupID: 606474   Submitted: Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 14:05

Markymark posted:

We travelled for 6 months with 2 kids, Prado and camper trailer. While a lot was bitumen and good dirt road, some of the special places needed a 4wd to get in such as Cape Leveque and the Bungle Bungles - we copped lots of rain in the Pilbara making the good dirt roads in and around Karajini NP a real struggle in a 2wd. We had some German friends in a Falcon and while they did OK in that, they said they would definietly buy a 4wd next time they come out. A 4wd gives you more choice in where you can and can't go and a better chance of getting out should the weather turn bad.

Cheers,

Mark.
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AnswerID: 338777   Submitted: Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 09:59

Member - Josh (VIC) replied:

Hi Samh,
I think the 1st thing you need to do is work out what you want to see and how you want to do it. This will determine what vehicle you need. Ie.. Do you want to go to more remote places such as Gibb river rd and Mitchell falls, Kakadu, Simpson desert or some of aust's remote beaches. If so then a 4wd is a must. We have been on the road 2 yrs now with a 5 +7 yr old and these places are some of the best we have seen. Then decide what accom. We have an offroad campertrailer so we go anywhere we want. So glad we did because we would have missed so much and have camped in some amazing places by ourselves. Even an off road caravan can limit where you go depending on its size. Everything is a compromise. We loose a bit of comfort but have seen stuff others dream off. Others have comfort ie a motor home but have pack up their entire camp to go down the street for a bottle of milk. We have 17 square metres of living area when set up which takes 30mins to set up. Yes sometimes we look at a caravan, bus or motorhome and think yes that would be nice but this suites us. If you plan on sticking to main roads then yes a motor home ect would be great and yes you can tow a small 4wd but this can mean a lot of back tracking. Take your time in deciding, listen to everyones advice but remember the way they live or travel may not suite you. We have seen just about every possible set up on the road from three guys travelling in a station wagon with a tarp as their tent to a guy on his own in a 40 ft motor home worth close to a million dollars. Whatever you decide remember it probably won't be perfect but is is still going to better than sitting at home watching the tv and mowing the lawn. One other tip when on the road. If the lawn needs mowing it's time to move on.
Hope this helps and sorry if it is a bit long

Josh
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FollowupID: 606317   Submitted: Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 12:39

Member - Matt & Caz H (QLD) posted:

Hi samh

I have to agree with Josh - we have only been on the road for five weeks (with a 6 & 8 yr old) we purchased a 23 foot Retreat Caravan - and have some regrets in the respect of not being able to "go everywhere" and we are considering trading down (not 100% sure on this as yet) with regards to seeing remote places we figured that we would buy a tent (as we tow the van with an 80 series landcruiser 4WD) however we will still have to leave the van in a park and pay fees whilst we go where we want to.

We have also discovered van parks can be like extortion - one place charged us for a powered site - then charged us $7 per child this really ads up, camping in a national park would be cheaper.

We also purchased the van for comforts like fridge and A/C but we have spent the 2 weeks of the 5 weeks getting these things fixed - 1st the fridge went in Tannum Sands we had to travel all the way back to Bundaberg all up took 4 days, now the A/C has gone (in Longreach 45 deg in the shade!!!) so we are now stuck in Blackall till probably Wed or Thurs - this van cost us $60K and we have only had it since 4th November - this is unfortnuate for us and doesn't happen to everyone.

I guess as Josh said you have to do whats suits you and your family.

Take Care & Good luck - there is so much to see out here.
Cheers Matt Caz & Kids (who are currently frying in the heat at Blackall!!!)

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FollowupID: 606379   Submitted: Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 19:29

Member - Vince M (NSW) posted:

well put, I have to agree with Josh you have to do what suits you. I have met many famillys traveling & all having a great time & they have been living in home made swags to motor homes worth a fortune. The one thing that stands out the most is, if the cooks not happy no ones happy
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FollowupID: 606418   Submitted: Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 06:25

Member - Josh (VIC) posted:

Hi Matt,Caz and kids,
Sorry to hear things aren't going so well. Hopefully you can get all the problems out of the way now. We have just had bit of a run of bad luck, mainly with car problems, but I keep reminding myself we have done 53,000 kms so I can't really complain. I know you guys have just started so that's a real pain. Even with the problems we are having I would not swap this for what I left behind. Hope the road ahead is better for you.

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FollowupID: 606421   Submitted: Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 07:18

Member - Matt & Caz H (QLD) posted:

Hi Josh & Family

How is Tassie? yes it is a real pain having all these issues and we did consider giving it all up as a bad joke but as you say we wouldn't swap this for what we left behind!!!! Once this is all sorted we are going to head south for some work as the $$$ are running rather low, where your ears burning yesterday?? as we were discussing you and your family and have considered downgrading to a camper trailer - your line about seeing the best things off the beaten track keeps playing over in our minds - we figured that perhaps we would see all the bitumen things first, trade down to a camper trailer and see the rest.

Hope all your car problems are now sorted.

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AnswerID: 338778   Submitted: Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 10:09

austastar replied:

We inherited our camper many years ago. Not the same quality as a Winnebago, it is 33 years old now and is a Toyota Dyna with a cab built in on the back, but unlike the Winnebago, it does not have low underneath and rear clearance.
We have traveled extensively with it (and 2 kids), and with care, it amazing where you can get it to go.
A friend recently came back from Leonora to Hobart via the Gunbarrel in his Winnebago - not that I would recommend any one else doing that. He did some damage to the rear underneath as it had so much over hang.
They are a truck after all, albeit well laden.
Space with 2 kids underfoot is a problem as often the divide between inside and outside is so marked in this type of vehicle, and the kids often don't want to be 'outside' while you are trying to get things sorted out.
With a camper trailer, awnings etc tend to blur the inside/outside division and the kids are happy just to be close by, but not underfoot.
At 2 and 4 years, you don't want them out of sight at anytime, so this is some thing you might like to consider.
Have you thought of hiring some vehicles to try them for size and family comfort? You can then get an idea of your own family's need for space and get a feel for the vehicle you will need.
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FollowupID: 606310   Submitted: Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 11:43

Max - Sydney posted:

Samh

I was just about to say: "Don't buy anything till you have rented one and tried it" when I saw that austastar had suggested the same thing, so I will reinforce the importance of doing that.

Most young families travel with a 4WD and a good off road camper trailer, or a sturdy caravan. Winnebagos cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and are a luxury item that most of us just dream about.

You need to be pretty sure what you really need before shelling out for anything. Renting will mean a bit of mucking around, but I would strongly recommend that you do so, and for a few days in each case.

There are really three types of road that you want to go down:

1. Bitumen - it goes all around Australia, and you can take anything along the bitumen.
2. Dirt roads - most are generally ok for 2WD including Motorhomes, but you need to travel more slowly, and they will take you to some of the places along the coast and mountains.
3. Bad dirt roads - experienced bush drivers can get 2WD vehicles into some amazing places, but they have made all the mistakes already. For us mugs, to go to Cape York, along the Gibb River Road, along the Birdsville Track etc, a 4WD and sturdy towed vehicle will get you into many of the great sights.

Read up the book you bought, dream about the places it talks about, and think about how far you need to go, bearing in mind that you go slower with kids. Pore over the trip notes on this site, buy"Go See Australia" regularly and really figure out how much you can do in the time you want to take. Take some test trips with rented gear.

Then try to make the equipment decision.

What ever, heaps of families have gone around the block and really got t know our great land. Happy investigation.

All the best
Max

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FollowupID: 606311   Submitted: Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 11:47

Max - Sydney posted:

Sorry - I meant to confirm that a Winnebago will get you from Cairns to Katherine via Three Ways along the bitumen. Heaps to see and do that way.

However, if you want to go "The Great Top Road" through Burketown, Hells Gate, Borroloola etc, not a Winnebago.

Max
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AnswerID: 338804   Submitted: Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 13:17

Member - John and Val W (ACT) replied:

Hi samh,
Lots of good advice already here. You will get much more from your trip if you take the time to do your research and planning before you set out. Also, whatever rig you get, do some short trips - overnighters or weekends - before you set out on the big trip. In this way you will identify some of the inevitable weak links in either your gear or your planning. From your post you are suggesting that you have only 2 or 3 months until departure and you dont have your rig yet - maybe a later departure time might work out better in the long run?
I agree that a reliable 4wd with a suitable sized camper trailer might be the way to go - more flexible in many ways.
Have a great trip.
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AnswerID: 338818   Submitted: Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 15:24

Member - Oldbaz. NSW. replied:

I'm with John & Val, I think the restrictions imposed by a motorhome outweigh the convenience. Try getting it into the carpark at Woollies to buy a carton of milk. Many interesting sights,
although 2wd accessible still pose problems for large motorhomes.
Many Caravan Parks wont welcome you & charge extra for large
vehicles. To camp independantly, you need a combination of solar & generated power, which can be expensive. A 4WD & caravan
is the next option....not really suited to the rough stuff either,
unless one of the true "offroad" variety, but setup is quick, &
independant excursions are possible. To go anywhere you put
a good Campertrailer behind the 4WD. Setup takes a little
longer, but all other restrictions are gone. Maybe not as kid
friendly but doable. Finally, your motorhome is a one use
vehicle, not much good when you get back home, expensive
to store & maintain. Your lead up time is very short, to plan,
purchase, pack etc etc. Go rent a van &/or C/t , motorhome, &
try them out first. But whatever happens DO GO...you will never
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AnswerID: 338842   Submitted: Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 17:33

samh replied:

thanks all for so much fabulous feedback!
a camper trailer definitely seems to offer the freedom that we would love although I'm not sure that we are ready for it in terms of set-up time and general organization required, especially with kids of our age. I know many people do it, but this is our first experience ...we might save it for next time! no-one has really mentioned 5th wheels/travelhomes.....I am now considering this as it seems we could get the comfort of a homebase with the flexibility/freedom of a 4wd vehicle and from what I can see they are suited to more road-types than a motorhome. any comments?
thanks again!
sam
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FollowupID: 606382   Submitted: Monday, Dec 08, 2008 at 19:55

Zukscooter posted:

samh,all the replies so far are right on the money.
Every thing you think of doing is that of compromise,i use this word now as i have learnt of it just recently from various sources.
When i first thought about the travel thing about 5/6 yrs ago,thought right the 5th wheeler would be the way to go but the wife put the foot down said we don't need any thing as cumbersome as that.I thought we did as i did not want to tow a caravan,anyway she won round one.
Round two we puschased a 6mtr Winnebago,we went to Tassie loved it,went to Nat.Parks as well,before that we did Bris to Longreach to Birdsville to Bris.This trip we towed a small Zuk on a Gypsy trailer this was ok but slow especially on the rocky & corrogated rds but ok & the zuk was used to go where the winne could not so round trips instead of through trips.
Wife did not like this trip & now does not want to travel,so now the winne is gone & i now have a camper on my f250 to travel next yr on my own.
All this has been very costly to us trying the different set ups, i even bought a swag to try out travelling alone in the zuk but that was too cramped.
The fith wheeler will restrict you even more than the caravan set up for cravan parks and national parks and the like.
If it is comfort you want it would be cheaper to fly drive & hotel motel or the resorts & farm stay's.
Take the time and go to a couple of c/van parks before you buy & talk to people with different rigs & get more of an idea.
what ever you decide i hope it works for you to enjoy touring Oz.

Cheers Bob.

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FollowupID: 606472   Submitted: Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 13:38

Member - John and Val W (ACT) posted:

Agree with Zukscooter - there is no such thing as a perfect camping rig, it is all about compromise. Rather than focus on what kind of rig to get it might be better to consider where you want to go, as that will have a lot of bearing on how easily and comfortably you get there.

If you really do want to get off the beaten track a bit then a 4WD and a solid camper or off-road van would be your best bet. But if you just want to stay on the bitumen other options would also work.

I think that comfort when travelling really comes down to a state of mind and good preparation, and that takes quite a bit of time and some experience. It's also good to have some idea about what to expect so you can be a bit prepared, especially if you are travelling with children. But if you are looking for motel style comfort from a campervan you could be disappointed.

On the other hand there are so many unexpected delights that come from camping that if you are prepared to give it a go, not worry about a bit of heat and dust and just go for it you will have a truly wonderful time, and your kids will love it.

Val.
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