Who's pulling what with a NS or NT Pajero
Submitted: Sunday, Jul 26, 2009 at 16:32
I'm new at this Forum
and would like to introduce myself, I'm Dene.
I would like to start a new Thread to get some ideas about the new NT 3.2lt T/Diesel Pajero.
I have got a 2002 Landcruiser 100 series 4.5lt petrol, towing a 24foot Jayco Stirling, although the Cruiser does tow the van it does it with some effort and alot of fuel. I'm thinking for upgrading to the new NT Pajero and just wanted to see if anyone has one and what they are pulling with it.
Thanks for your time.
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Reply By: Member - The Bushwhackers -NSW - Sunday, Jul 26, 2009 at 16:55
Sunday, Jul 26, 2009 at 16:55
Hi Dene, can't help at all with towing characteristics of the NT Pajero, but I did notice in the forum
letters column of 4 X 4 Australia
, (August edition) that Mitsubishi, Safari, nor ARB have any plans, nor do they recommend fitting a snorkle to the NT Turbo Diesel. Something to do with the type of turbo, and noise. If not having a snorkle would bother you, better check out the facts for yourself.
Happy hunting for the best tow rig,
Follow Up By: psproule - Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 16:25
Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 16:25
A bit more research will turn up that there are options for a snorkel
on an NT DID. Several owners on the Pajeroclub forums have had them fitted and the noise is not that bad.
Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 17:35
Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 17:35
Also think it was the auto with the problem, not the manual.
Something about Mitsu reckon the auto is on boost more and the snorkel
makes more noise.
Follow Up By: Member - The Bushwhackers -NSW - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 20:31
Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 20:31
Hi John, haven't got the magazine in front of me right now, but the way they were talking, new models are all auto, and that was the problem. Last years model they tested a manual, with a snorkle.
Guess the thing is, if Dene is towing a van of that size, he's likely to be on the blacktop, not deep river crossings, so maybe not required?
Reply By: ChristaJezz - Sunday, Jul 26, 2009 at 18:23
Sunday, Jul 26, 2009 at 18:23
How much does your caravan weigh ?
The new Pajero advertises a 3000kg towing capacity but has a max. tow ball weight of 250kg on a sliding scale.
A 24ft van would be line ball with the max. tow ball weight of the Pajero and it may be a real hassle managing weight.
Have a search through the forums and their is a heap of info on caravan weights.
Could not find much wrong with the Pajero in my search except engine noise and tow ball weight.
Follow Up By: TravelinAround - Sunday, Jul 26, 2009 at 18:57
Sunday, Jul 26, 2009 at 18:57
The van fully loaded with 2 full water tanks
and a full toilet is 2400kg with a ball weight of 207kg, after some asking at dealerships I found that when Pajero's pulling a load over 2500kg the ball weight is reduced to 200kg, so its right on the limit. Though after talking to Jayco, they have advised me that their are many NS Pajero's pulling the same size vans and the NS had the reduced towing capacity and there has been no recorded incidences. The NT has far more power than the NS and is much much quieter inside while driving.
It seems you get way more car for your buck when I compared it to the new 200 Landcruiser, which comes with no luxury items bar a V8 twin turbo motor for just on $100K drive away and you still need to put all the fruit on it, I can get the Pajero Exceed with everything in the options list for $72K.
It makes it hard to change, when I have had every Landcruiser since the 70series and they were expensive but not out of reach, but now they seem to be aiming at a whole different class of owner.
Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 16:36
Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 16:36
Just be aware that should any of the weights be exceeded at the time of an accident it may cost you more than the differnce between a Paj and a Croozer.Insurance
companies are well aware that many vehicles tow overweight vans and so they weigh them before allowing a claim.
Not worth the risk I reckon but in looking around in the parks Ive been i recently I cant believe what I see pulling what and cant possibly be under the ATM of the van or the tow capacity of the tug.
Some dont know and some just dont care Load her up away we go.
Follow Up By: Davo_60 - Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 18:46
Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 18:46
Have you considered a T/D 100 series? Great vehicle and amazing (and relatively simple) engine. There is a reason why they hold their value however they offer good value now when compared with the new ones.
Reply By: pickle - Sunday, Jul 26, 2009 at 19:25
Sunday, Jul 26, 2009 at 19:25
Read about the NT on thePajero Club Forum
Then take one for a test drive.
Reply By: Member - Terry D (QLD) - Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 19:48
Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 19:48
I;d want to check the (new) Pajero's monocockle chassis before I'd venture to pulling a heavy van. Friend of mine has a 3 or 4 year old petrol Pajero, pulling a 21 ft Jayco - fully laden for big trip - borders on limit of 2500 kgs, went around Oz last year and started to hear a creaking noise half way round. That was last year, recently we further explored the creaking noise and after much examination, discovered the chassis cracked where the tow bar bolts are connected. He took it to a workshop and found the chassis cracking at 4 of the bolt anchor points, a few nearly pulled through the chassis. He had plates welded into the body and repaired. Needless to say, this was an older model, but I'd want to see the difference in body build in the new model before proceeding to pulling a van 2,500 plus kgs. Other than that, I have heard great reports on the Pajero diesel - BUT I don't think it is anywhere near the 200 series Toyota (the GXL is around the $80 k not $100K as alluded to in this thread)..
Follow Up By: TravelinAround - Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 20:11
Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 20:11
Hi Terry D, might look into that. Thanks for your insight.
Just to clarify price, don’t want any trouble from the higher powers.
As quoted by Toyota Perth
WA 10/07/09, 2009 Landcruiser 200 GXL 4.5lt twin turbo diesel, $86 990.00 plus lux car tax, plus delivery, plus stampduty, plus licence = $102K.
Also here is a link to carsales with simular info.http://www.carsales.com.au/new-cars/results.aspx?Ns=p_NewPrice_Decimal%7C0%7C%7Cp_Make_String%7C0%7C%7Cp_Family_String%7C0%7C%7Cp_Badge_String%7C0%7C%7Cp_Series_String%7C0&N=2994+2951+4294942755+4294842768+4294909496&tabid=2207633&keywords=&Nne=15
Reply By: Member - Terry D (QLD) - Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 21:25
Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 21:25
I'll stand corrected. That means they have gone from $80k onroad early last year to now a $100k. That's a big jump, and I guess will reflect in second hand prices for same. I'm lucky I got mine when I did, and certainly would not consider a GXL at $100k today - good luck.