Banning the use of trailers etc on the Canning Stock Route

"Sounds like a crock of etc" - Typical Victorian response as the CSR users have you lot to thank for the introduction of permits on the CSR, for the arrogant and billigerant way that some of your lot treated the elders a couple of years back at the Calverton ranges, and just show how thick and stupid some of your lot are, earlier this year, victorians again with their disgraceful behaviour in front of visitors, aboriginal elders and their wives as (reported in the 4WD Australia October issue & the WA 4WDriver magazine) that has now resulted in a couple of othe aboriginal groups at wells 5-14 and wells 41-51 are currently putting into effect a plan to introduce a permit system similar to the one that is current now.

Another ignorant fact shown by "member John" is his questioning of "anybody in authority" well it is only a matter of time before the Wiluna & Halls Creek shires in conjunction with the indiginous groups and the Department of Environment and Conservation will start regulating and controlling who uses and who doesn't use the CSR.
It is a historical feature, one of the last truly 4wdrive tracks, so well renowned that there a lot of international 4wdrive enthusists who come to Australia just to drive the track. and as usual there is always that HOON element that stuff things up for everybody else.

We need to drive and treat the CSR with more consideration and as much care as possible or otherwise it will cost us dearly in more ways than one.
nugget.

"Your Lot" nice of you to tar the whole state with your emotive response.

I'm sure Victorians are a small percentage of the overall users of the route, even your own reply offers the advice that "there a lot of international 4wdrive enthusiasts who come to Australia just to drive the track"

By the way, Its the Calvert Ranges last time I looked not the Calverton.

Anyone regardless of where they come from who behaves in a disrespectful way towards others, whether they be Traditional Owners or other does not do anyone least of all themselves any favours and will almost always cause a negative response of some sort.

Can you please advise the source of your "rumour" otherwise its just that, another unsubstantiated rumour and no fact applies.

No funds are spent on maintaining probably close on 90 percent of the CSR now so I would suggest that the Wiluna Shire among others would have other priorities to spend its no doubt limited road funds on and regulating the CSR would suddenly require funds to be spent.

The CSR whilst suffering increased use year on year is still a minor use route compared to many other remote tracks such as the Simpson and the current permit system in use on the CSR was no hindrance to my recent trip, the permits were easily obtained and the cost was negligible in comparison to the overall costs of the trip.
None the less I have no doubt that certain groups will always exercise their possible rights to issue permits to access their lands not necessarily as a response to anything other than they can under the current laws.
I would submit that there is not much we can currently do about that at the moment.

Its also one thing to require permits and another to actually police the permit system.
I came across a number of vehicles who did not have permits and they did as they pleased. With no enforcement this won't change.

Driving any track or route in this country requires due consideration and care.

Still waiting for your advice on other tracks that have banned trailers??

So who started the rumour Nugget??????????????
You can't trust those victorians can you John, Lucky I just moved to Tassie LOL. Isn't there a rumour every year about banning trailers on the gibb but then they realise it's not actually the trailers it's the idiots who don't lower thier tyre pressures.
As asked "Who started the rumour" or is this the start.

Josh

I was at a bbq the other night and someone there who belongs to 4wdrive club saiid that it had been discussed by their members.
nugget

"I was at a bbq the other night and someone there who belongs to 4wdrive club saiid that it had been discussed by their members"

LMAO !!!

Oh that's just gold that is !!

Now I'm confused!!! Is the 4wdrive club looking at banning trailers or is the wiluna shire going to or is it just a group of guys in a club who got their nose out of joint by someone towing a trailer and saying they should ban it.
Unless there is actually evidence that a government body or tribal elders are going to put permits in place then it is just a rumour and has no merit.
When we towed our trailer into steep point we were checked by the ranger to see if we had lowered our tyre pressure. This would be a better option than a banning trailers cause anyone with a permit can still destroy a sand dune with high tyre pressure. Going into steep point was very soft sand and we had no trouble at all with the trailer and low tyre pressure and yet talked to another guy who didn't get in cause he kept getting bogged. He was running high tyre pressure, so a trailer is not always the problem.

Josh

Mate of a mate second cousin removed rumour again!!

Enough said.

damn straight

Ive been at barbies where weve actually figured out if there is a god or not
- so its quite possible

Quick call "MYTH BUSTERS". Myth is BUSTED.

Josh

So get outmore
What was the answer at that BBQ to the question on God?
And the second question is What 4wd does he drive? :-)

Nugget

Quote :"I was at a bbq the other night and someone there who belongs to 4wdrive club saiid that it had been discussed by their members"

What a classic statement.

Mate, Friday is for the funnies, you are either late or early.

Mark

John "So get outmore
What was the answer at that BBQ to the question on God?
And the second question is What 4wd does he drive? :-) "

1. Yes...

2. SHE drives a 2003 Triton GLX dual cab...

Extra info: SHE will likely smack me for that comment when I get home in the morning...

LOL very good :-)

actually by the stage we agreed on the outcome there was no way we could remember it

Yep, spot on...........

I have witnessed exactly the same thing, on both the CSR, & SD...

The banning of trailers will do absolutely nothing to reduce the incidence of track damage...

So, if this (proposed banning of trailers) comes about, who they gonna blame then???
I'll take bets here and now that the damage will still occur, and conditions will continue to deteriorate...

:)

I'll second that Pinko & Ed.

Hi Pinko
Well said, and I think that the Tag Along groups should be banned, not the responsible drivers that know what they are doing. After all they are the ones with no bush experience, do not know how to drive their newly acquired 4 wheel drive toy, don't know the meaning of driving to track conditions and why you have to drop your tyre pressures. They pay very good money to get from point A to point B in as quick a time as possible, just to say that they have driven the CSR, Gunbarrel or Simpson.

Those that are keen to get out into our great outback, should join a Four Wheel Drive Club, gain the necessary experience, and then get out there in confidence and know how to drive their vehicle the way that it should be and knowing that they have done it by themselves, the way that it should be done.

I know that there are some good Tag Along Companies out there, and there are some real cowboys as well. I once got into a heated conversation with one Tag Along operator once, saying how he joined two snatch straps together, and then had a permanent 18m snatch strap, as he could not get the two apart. When I went on to say that he should have used a piece of wood of old newspaper or magazine in the loop, so he should at least prize them out to undo the two straps. He then called me a smart ass and I would not know the first thing about four wheel drives - End of Story and say no more for the Cowboys.

Cheers

Stephen

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Hey there GBC,

I'm not sure I agree with what you are saying.

Basically, ban those who can and do, do the right thing? And I fully agree with you re there being plenty who have no idea (Shouldn't they be the ones who are banned?).

This will make tracks easier to use? There are many who do the right thing to ensure continued use of these remote area tracks.

Those who don't have a trailer and need ridiculous run-ups, disregard existing trails and have no idea what suitable tyre pressures for conditions are, can continue to use and damage these remote tracks?

There are many out there who consider people who own 4WD's (and use them) to be in the minority these days. I guess we all need to be careful about who/what should be banned...

Not trying to be a smart ar$e, just think that there has to be a better way to "ban" those who are actually doing the damage, not just blanket banning a certain group of users. As usual, funding and policing have a very large role to play.

Cheers,

Ross.

As we were the other vehicle out there with you Bucky, we totally agree.

We did not use the run ups, we never had to be snatched over a dune. We listened to and learned from the advice given by experienced desert travellers. We lowered our tyre pressures and we drove to conditions.

It's not the trailer that wrecks the tracks, its the driver who refuses to listen to advice given by those who know how to travel in these conditions.

Viv

"It's not the trailer that wrecks the tracks, its the driver who refuses to listen to advice given by those who know how to travel in these conditions."

Now, isn't that a fact.

And don't we have a plentiful supply of them.

Hey GBC,

I guess that's the problem, enforcing suitable measures that allow all who want to use these remote tracks to do so.

I didn't know hire company's won't allow tyre pressure drops, maybe they shouldn't rent the vehicles to be used off-road! (And that'll never happen, too much revenue).

Having just returned from a trip towing a camper trailer, I agree that it had a noticeable effect on some of the sandy tracks we drove, maybe more than if we hadn't had the trailer?. We ran suitable pressures in vehicle AND trailer (sometimes below 12 psi), engaged lockers before we ever looked at getting stuck and didn't need massive revs to get through. Some of the river beds up that way are decievingly soft! I guess a vehicle running 40+ psi in the tyres, with the right foot buried and wheels churning, sans trailer would have made quite a mess of the same sort of tracks...

As others above have so rightly pointed out, it's not the vehicle/trailer thats the problem, it's always the person behind the wheel.

Cheers,

Ross.