2006 Nissan Patrol Problem

Which motor is in it?

The Nissan Patrol Wagon has the 3 ltr - 4 cyl.

if its a 3.0ltr it was just a matter of time
but if its a 4.2 ltr very strange as they are pretty bullet proof
sorry but you did ask for any comments

What do you mean by blown up?

The damage to the vechile is requireing a new turbo and inter cooler and motor as the No. 3 cyl has no compression, the turbo has blown out the bearings and the inter cooler has a hole blown through it....

For a 3 ltr Patrol you did very well getting that sort of k's out of it without a problem and in 3.5 years you certainly like to drive.
The three ltr is known as the grenade just go over to the Patrol forum and ask this question then see how many answers you get.
Just re-engine the thing.
Best of luck in the rebuild.

Just google "ZD30 grenade patrol" or similar. Although this is maybe the first I've heard of a 2006 blowing up.

Woolbroker

See this link for reference document re the ZD30 motor.

http://users.on.net/~aschulze/ZD30/ZD30%20Y61%20Reference%20Document%20-%20BW.pdf

I recently upgraded from a 2005 ZD30 to a 2006 4.2 Turbo diesel. I would suggest looking at putting a 4.2 motor in, rather than replacing with the inherently unreliable 3 litre motor. If you can pick up a low kilometre 4.2TD motor second hand, there is a little bit of work involved in getting it in.

A friend had a similar issue and got Monaro 4WD in Canberra (or Queanbeyan?) to do it for him. I think the motor was sourced from WA.

Angus

Sounds like a 3.0 litre to me and the saga continues.

Do a search on this site for ZD30 or Nissan 3.0 litre motors and spend the next 3 weeks reading the issues.

Nothing new, its the same old engine and all those owners who buy the newer model think the problems are over are kidding themselves.

Evening blogers thanks for the comments, problem is I was landed with this vehicle a Nissan....... when I started my new career. The amount of km's I do is around the average 210 kms per day 7 days a week. I didn't like the vehicle at first but it grew on me as it would being a company car and being supplied as part of my employment package.
Truth is I have gone out of my way to look after this vehicle and that’s probably why I've done 246 500 kms in 3.5 years without any problems.
The firm I work for have another Nissan like mine at Longreach and they are very much in two minds on what to do with the vehicle as it has around 210 000 kms on the clock. It may all so go bang… before it is sold but could anyone suggested what to look for prior to this sort of issue happening again? I do have a few thoughts that come to mind but we may have a true 3.0 ltr Nissan guru out their with some interesting do’s and don’ts……….Cheers and thanks for all the comments to date.

you asked "but could anyone suggested what to look for prior to this sort of issue happening again?"
I have a suggestion of what to look for, and its an easy one......if it has 3.0 stamped on the back, its a faulty patrol!

Woolbroker,
I am feeling your pain as I know what you are going through. I have within the last month just paid $14k to get my patrol back from a full re-build as a similar problem occured with mine. Most of the earlier problems (up to 03 model) as I led to believe should have been resolved as they were pistons 1 & 2 and not enough oil within the motor to accomodate a highly strung little 3 ltr motor.

The problem with my 05 model was what they call a MAF (mass airflow sensor) which is between your air filter and your motor, this stopped working and as a result the boost problems occured and everything started to happen while I was driving with out my knowledge until it was to late. There is no warning when this MAF sensor goes so as a result I have now installed a Boost gauge with in the cabin to pre warn me. I am not saying that this is what caused yours to go BANG but it sounds very familier.

What you will be looking at will be a new short or long motor from nissan (don't bother asking for assistance as they are so good at throwing a dummy pass) the bad thing for you at the moment is that there is none in the country long or short, so a full rebuild or as a previous person has suggested I would put a 4.2ltr in. Mine is going perfectly now but for how long that is the question, I have lost all faith in Nissan 3.0ltr motors and I am as we communicate looking for a Landcruiser.

I hope this has been of some help to you and if there are any more questions please email back and I will endeavour to answer for you.

Have a good day

Damo (never buy a patrol)

Woolbroker, there has been a firm mentioned in the past in relation to these threads that does a reasonably priced rebuild on these engines ($5-7K range). My advice would be to get it rebuilt and install a pyro (EGT) and boost gauge in the cabin to look for irregular activity. Boost should vary between 5-17psi depending on load and if EGT gets too high liftum right foot.

As the original owner of a 2002 3.0Di with currently 120Km on the clock I have followed these exposions since the beginning. It seems to me overboosting caused by MAF sensor failure is the most common problem, unfortunately the computer does not seem to be able to detect it so you need to do it yourself. Only use OEM air filters and change at 20K not 40K that the schedule says. Also have the MAF sensor cleaned periodically.

I find the vehicle an excellent performer and most comfortable to drive over long distances and the rougher the road the better. Mine has been all over Australia trouble free. I put the fitting of gauges to monitor the engine in the same category as fitting dtronic to it (which I have) or a larger turbo and exhaust on a 4.2.

Almost every vehicle is a compromise and has issues that need to be managed, this is an obvious and serious one unfortunately, but one that can be monitored and prevented. The 2006 Sahara I had used to drop it's bum to the ground with a half assed load in the back and something on the draw bar so i had to fit polyairs, Toyota did not want to know.

OT

Can I ask is it very unusual for a Nissan 3 Litre Diesel not to be aware of the reputation of his vehicles engines, in this case the infamous Nissan Time Bomb?

This poor owner seemed surprised and it must be tragic to find out like this on these forums.

Sad to hear for anyone who has looked after and taken pride in their vehicle when this happens, will say he got more KM's than most, you perhaps a success story?

Woolbroker

Sorry to hear about the engine problems

I have a 2001 ZD30 with 185,000 kms on the clock.

I have not had any engine problems, it still runs as good as ever.

Regarding claims that all 3 litre Patrols blow engines, this is simply not true. Unfortunately too many have failed prematurely and Nissan Australia have not done the right thing.

I have travelled 32,000 kms in the last 2 years around Oz on all sorts of roads. I am amazed at how many 3 litre ZD30 Patrols are out there in the bush. When I ask who has had engine failures I find very few.

I agree those who have are to many. If you added up all the genuine first hand accounts listed on various web sites it would total a small ( but unacceptable) percentage of the total ZD30s now in Oz.

I don't accept that Patrols have other excessive reliability issues other the engine failures. Toyota Landcruisers have their own problems and are not as reliable as some would have us believe. Remember that they cost megga bucks more to purchase and are thirstier on the diesel than our humble Patrols.

I think that some, but definitely not all, ZD30 failures may be caused by poor servicing issues. The original 2000/01 books recommended 15,000 kms engine oil and filter changes. I have seen a copy of a service Nissan Service bulletin recommending 5,000 kms engine oil and filter changes using 10w - 40 semi synthetic CF-4 oil or better. Nissan didn't bother to advise us private owners.

Any way hope you have some luck getting it all fixed up
Cheers
Phil

Woolbroker - when you took your vehicle back to the dealer who serviced it, did he advise that the problem with the motor was well known or not?

Would he advise you to purchase another Nissan with a 3.o l motor?.



A J

Well here we go again, mass scare mongering by people that really have no idea or no personal experience - the old mate of a mate told me syndrome.

Woolbroker's problem, whilst disappointing, is hardly a reason to jump on the bandwagon. So he had a turbo failure that probably caused the engine failure - the vehicle has done a quarter of a million k's, not the first vehicle of that vintage to have a mechanical failure........

I am in the middle of a trip around Australia & my pitiful little 3.0L hand grenade has lugged a combined total of 6 tonne around this amazing country of ours - so far we've covered 40,000km without a hint of a problem.

When we left i took it upon myself to do a little survey. Whenever i came across a 3.0L Patrol owner towing a caravan i asked them a few questions. First, have you ever had any engine failures & second, do you persoanlly know of anyone who has had an engine failure.
Of 53 people surveyed, one had an engine failure on a 2000 model with 211,000km on the clock & 1 owner knew of someone who had had a failure.

Another bloke i spoke to was on his 4th 3.0L Patrol & loved them, towing his 3 tonne Kedron van around the country.

To me, real life experiences of those that are out there using their vehicles are worth a hell of a lot more than slagging off by people sitting behind a desk with nothing better to do.

It would not surprise me at all if some of the comments above are by the serial "bag the Patrol" brigade - their's plenty of them out there

Hi Woolbroker,

Outbacktourer has provided good advice.

As an owner of a series III Di 3.0 Patrol, I think that the problem with your turbo is unfortunate, it is even more unfortunate that it has taken out your aftercooler and motor.

The turbo is made by Garrett and is a GT2052V, these are very good turbos and your mishap is certainly not common on these motors. The turbos like any other mechanical part needs to be looked after and the best way of doing that is by using good oil and allowing the turbo to cool down prior to shutting off the motor (ideally wait until the temps are 200c after turbo).

The "blow up" problem that a few members on other forums enjoy blowing out of proportion (pardon the pun) can be typically contributed to a faulty MAF sensor.

This is not a "Nissan" thing, it is the same on all high tech diesels that do not have an EGT sensor feeding information back to the ECU.

Prevention is always better than the cure so by installing EGT and boost gauges, we are able to see if ever the electronics are not working correctly and we are able to catch all problems (except real mechanical ones like yours) before it causes damage to the motor.

The challenge is really to advise all who have these high tech motors to install the two gauges - then keep on enjoying the truck...


Another thing that we should all be weary of is the implementation of EGR on these type of motors. EGR is not bad per say but when mixed with blowby oil, the exhaust particles turn into goop and slowly block the intake manifold which is very bad for a diesel.

There is a simple fix for this as well, install a good quality blowby catch can. If you have had your vehicle for a while, then I would suggest that a clean of the intake manifold would also be required (throttle body and inlet of the intake manifold can be accessed and cleaned without too much difficulty).

The 3ltr motor is a good design and members from another forum that have striped them down after 260Ks have found the internals to have minimal wear, the problem was a hole in the piston due to a failed MAF sensor:

"Just my thoughts from what I found when I pulled mine down after the problem

at 263,000K

wear in bore - too small to measure

twist in head - less than 1/2 thou

intake and exhaust manifolds also less than 1/2 thou twist.

big ends - not run in yet. Numbers still readable on shells.

mains - identical with the new ones, thickness, ovality and yaw. no wear there at all.

So with new engine australia pistons, and a weather eye being kept on the maf (with a spare in the glove box) I reckon she's good for at least 1,000,000 K "

As you can see, the motor is good but the electronics are what can let it down - by installing a boost and EGT gauge, it won't get the chance.

Here is a link to a page that shows Site Link what Ks are possible with this motor.

Cheers,
Whitie

very common problem, my brother in law has had 2 patrols, and both had engine failures, 3ltr turbo diesels.conrod let go and went through the block in the last one.

Hey does anyone know of a ZD30 motor with low kms at all.
We had a motor with 1700 kms for $7900 out of a right off but... it's the latest motor and apparently it will not fit as apparently there was a motor update in 2006 and my May 2006 made Nissan Patrol Wagon has the earlier motor.
(This may have been the problem the older motor???)
Eng No. ZD30052629K Vin/Chas JN1TESY61A0386620 5 speed manual.
Cheers Woolbroker

gday mate,
i have felt your pain and will never buy another Nissan.
just burn it, it's easier.....
cheers.