<span class="highlight">Accessories</span> connection in trailer plug

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I am wiring the Anderson plug to teh camper and thought that in the 7 pin round plug there was an "accessories" wire, that was alive all the time and the would connect the camper battery to the car battery and charge on driving, but research (yes I do do that) shows that there is a "reversing" wire in teh plug !!

How do I charge the battery from the car without an Anderson plug type connection? And now I am trying to nut out where to splice in the 12v feed in the camper wiring...

And what ninny decided that for a trailer white was earth and black was active??? Sheesh that sounds like a bloody committee decision.

Ok rant over.
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Reply By: Notso - Sunday, Dec 12, 2010 at 09:24

Sunday, Dec 12, 2010 at 09:24
It is pretty well impossible to charge your van battery without an Anderson Plug or similar, the standard 7 pin connector won't carry enough current to proved high enough voltage to the Van Battery.

I have seen some people use a 12 pin and gang up 2 of the larger pins. Then add a 12 volt to 12 volt charger to the van.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Dec 12, 2010 at 09:30

Sunday, Dec 12, 2010 at 09:30
Thanx Notso, I am wiring the Anderson on teh Patrol but thought I may be able to jerry rig something on the Falcon or Territory to do a passable job, I am thinking that is less possible the more I think about it
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Sunday, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:38

Sunday, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:38
I did thousands of kilometres with a Track Eagle camper trailer charging through the 7 pin plug, never had an issue with the trailer battery.
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Reply By: Baz&Pud (Tassie) - Sunday, Dec 12, 2010 at 09:38

Sunday, Dec 12, 2010 at 09:38
G'day Bonz,
I'm no auto electrician, but my understanding is the only way to charge your camper/van battery is to run wires from the alternator to an anderson plug on the rear of your tug, then another anderson plug from the tug to the battery.

It can also be done from the seven pin plug but the wire is soooo thin that the current that is carried is as good as non existent.
Hope this helps.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Dec 12, 2010 at 09:47

Sunday, Dec 12, 2010 at 09:47
Yep I agree Baz, I have 6mm run, and 16mm for the anderson plug, just have to sus the splice point
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Reply By: happytravelers - Sunday, Dec 12, 2010 at 09:46

Sunday, Dec 12, 2010 at 09:46
As others have said, trailer plug wires aren't a heavy enough gauge to charge a battery, you have to use a heavy wire and an anderson plug.

You are correct in that the white wire is earth but the black wire is for reverse lights if you have them fitted to your trailer.

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Reply By: Von Helga - Sunday, Dec 12, 2010 at 09:51

Sunday, Dec 12, 2010 at 09:51
I wonder how long it will be before one of the plug manufacturers gets around to designing an integrated plug that does carry the circuits for lights and a high current circuit for battery charging in the one unit.

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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Sunday, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:03

Sunday, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:03
Actually they do! You can see in the pic below the 12 pin plug has the first 7 pins (top row) for the usual connections and the bottom 5 are rated at 45amps. I converted from an Anderson plug simply to have a single cable connection.



I have used this type of connection for years to charge my camper batteries and it works very well. The beauty of this system is that there are adaptors to fit 12 pin flat to 7 pin flat / 7 pin round etc... so you can use the camper on any vehicle (although obviously you will lose the charging aspect).

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Follow Up By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Monday, Dec 13, 2010 at 06:52

Monday, Dec 13, 2010 at 06:52
Have just changed over to 12 pin with my plug. Ran battery charging through pins 9 and 10 and fridge power supply through pin 8. A half hour test showed OK so will wait till we do a trip now for a full test. I too did it for simplicity. It gets a bit daunting connecting safety chains, breakaway cable, trailer plug and 2 anderson plugs (1 for fridge power) as well as rear camera cable when you are travelling, especially in the rain so kiss motto is good. Cheers, Bob

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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Monday, Dec 13, 2010 at 08:47

Monday, Dec 13, 2010 at 08:47
I also use the 12 pin plug. Have done so for about 10 years now and have no problems.

I have a dual battery set up in the car and run the feed from my aux battery to the trailer battery so that they are wired in parallel.

The secret is to keep the trailer battery in good nick so that when you hook it up the system does not have too much to do.

I keep my camper battery charged by way of a cheap ($30) solar panel that plugs into the cig lighter.

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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:09

Sunday, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:09
I believe the wiring is to an international standard.

Thats why it as it is.

I could of course be wrong.

Most of us run the charging wire fron an Aux battery to the van batteries not from the alternator.

I have 6 B& S on mine and 8 B&S to the fridge Through 2 anderson plugs


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Reply By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:46

Sunday, Dec 12, 2010 at 10:46
Bonz

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Dec 12, 2010 at 15:18

Sunday, Dec 12, 2010 at 15:18
thanx Doug, I have seen those and couldnt remember there being a reversing wire, but that was like 25 yrs ago, on well wire in the anderson
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Reply By: Member - Bucky - Tuesday, Dec 14, 2010 at 07:18

Tuesday, Dec 14, 2010 at 07:18
Bonz

I have a 12 pin flat plug on the back of the Patrol, and I made sure that the power wire was a lot heavier than the rest, and came straight off the battery.
The earth wire also is the same type heavy wire, and goes straight back to the same battery too.

Mind you I am no genius when it comes to electrics, but I can assure you that there is only a 0.1 voltage drop to the rear plug. I just went and checked it, and waited the compllsory 2 minutes for things to equalize. 13.46 v on the second battery, and 13.45 v at the rear plug.

I am also aware that voltage and amps differ, but thinking back I seem to remember 50 or 60 amp wire being purchased.
I also do have an anderson plug at the rear of the Patrol as well, but tha twas put there so we could take the mates camper trailer, on a hunting trip, into NSW in May.
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Follow Up By: Allan B, Sunshine Coast, - Tuesday, Dec 14, 2010 at 08:16

Tuesday, Dec 14, 2010 at 08:16
Hey Bucky, The drop between your readings of 13.46v and 13.45v is 0.01volt not 0.1volt. Besides, for such a low drop of only 10 millivolts there must have been little or no current flowing at the time of readings, so they are not meaningful. To obtain valid readings a normal maximum current must be flowing at the time.

But if everything is working OK then your cable size must be adequate.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky - Wednesday, Dec 15, 2010 at 08:46

Wednesday, Dec 15, 2010 at 08:46
Alan

My maths sometimes leaves a lot to be desired, but the srory is correct.

I have had a bit of trouble with the electric brakes, on the camper, and in trying to solve that problem, which I thought was the "not heave enuf wires.
I replaced the "juice" wire.
Then I ended up replacing all of the wires to a 50 amp multicore type, to avoid voltage drop, to the rear of the vehicle, that had worked well.
A 50 amp wire went to the battery on the camper, I then replaced the wires to the electric brakes, I thought what the heck !.. why not, whilst I had everything out. All done

I have better brakes now.

And upgraded wiring

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Bucky


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