2 stroke oil in Diesel

Submitted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 16:58

Tom C

Did some reading up recently on adding 2 stroke oil to diesel fuel in ratio 1:200. I decided to try it in my 96 4.2D Patrol (non turbo) and the result has been outstanding. The engine and injector pump are running much quieter, particularly at start-up. I have only done a few k's so far but fuel consumption seems to be reduced by at least 10%. Early days, but we are heading over to Perth and then the Kimberlies from Tassie next week, back in August. Will post a report on the results when we return, but definitely running better and much perkier on the throttle. Has anyone else had good or bad results from this mix?
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AnswerID: 453288   Submitted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 18:16

Member - Redbakk (WA) replied:

I am with you on this one, Tom......I now have been using castrol Activ 2T Jasco FC for some time now at the rate of 200 ml per 90 litres.
Last year I towed a 2500kg caravan from Bunbury to 80 mile beach and back and have noticed savings in fuel consumption and not that you would get too excited about it.

I have the benefit of having a certified weighbridge where I work and the other night I weighed the Troopy by itself and all the gear I carry in her and she weighed in at 3190kg's.

So add that to the caravan weight and my fuel consumption was around 3.5 to 3.8 kilometres to the litre.........however since adding the 200 ml per 90 litres and towing she has gone up to 4.2 to 4.6 kilometres to the litre.

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FollowupID: 726067   Submitted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 18:52

Brian Purdue posted:

You are not excited about that increase? If I get better than 10% on anything I am very excited these days. I only get 5.5% on my Interest Bearing Deposits.
Brian
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FollowupID: 726082   Submitted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 19:50

Member - Bruce C (NSW) posted:

Hi Redbakk,

That's a drop of 4.5litres per 100 kilometres. Pretty dam good in any ones book there redbakk.
Or near enough to $7 saved every 100k.
Well worth the effort to get it mate.

Cheers, Bruce
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AnswerID: 453291   Submitted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 18:28

Whirlwinder replied:

Tom,
I have been using Castrol 2 Boating super outboard oil ( note that it must be for water cooled engines) for about 2 years in our 80 series 1HZ with after market turbo. It had done 231000 kms and is running better than ever. Quieter and smoother too.
Ian
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AnswerID: 453293   Submitted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 18:45

Member - Brenton replied:

Have any of you guys been doing this whilst using a fuel additive? I usually use one but did not want to run both at the same time if this is a waste or could cause damage. Thanks in advance for any comments.
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FollowupID: 726071   Submitted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 19:05

Hairs & Fysh posted:

Hi Brenton,
I have, using Chemtec Power Additive.
Been using ATF as well as chemtec, for over two years now.
Haven't used 2 stroke oil. Change my fuel filter every 10 000 k's, and checked every 1000k's for any crap.
It defiantly makes the old girl quieter.

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FollowupID: 726098   Submitted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 21:54

trainslux posted:

Just as some information for you to ponder.

2 stroke is designed to burn, and offers excellent lubricity.

ATF is an excellent oil but its not designed to be burnt, and its composition leads to burn deposits that are produced that may not be beneficial to your motor injector tips etc.

Agreed, the benefits of adding oil to the diesel to help with lubrication.
However I think that 2 stroke oil, which is designed to be burnt is a better option.

Just a thought, I realize you have used atf for some time and are happy with it.

I think 2 stroke could be better.

If you wish to use atf, thats fine, but thought I would offer my thoughts as a middle aged mechanic.

Cheers

Trains
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FollowupID: 726133   Submitted: Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 11:06

Hairs & Fysh posted:

Cheers Trains


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FollowupID: 726368   Submitted: Saturday, May 07, 2011 at 18:20

River Swaggie posted:

"I have, using Chemtec Power Additive. "

Yeah i agree its good stuff...
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AnswerID: 453295   Submitted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 19:41

Member - Scott A (NSW) replied:

So you guys recommend giving this a try ?
Rock On,
Scott
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FollowupID: 726086   Submitted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 20:45

eighty matey posted:

It sounds like it's ago. No negatives and Redbakk is saving about $7.00 for every 100kms. Even if I save $4.oo every 100km, that's a carton a week for a 1000km week. Free beer!!!!
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FollowupID: 726087   Submitted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 20:46

gbc posted:

http://www.freel2.com/forum/topic878.html?highlight=oil

Make your own mind up. The older diesels seem to enjoy some better mileage. I've used it at 200:1 in the colorado for the last 70 000 kms. I don't notice any better economy or performance, but it certainly lubricates the pump and makes the injection system run more smoothly.
I've been a member of a couple of forums discussing this aver the last few years.
The main reason for running it is to replace some of the lubricity which was lost when low sulphur diesel was introduced.

The general gist is:

Use only low ash mineral based 2 stroke oil (I use castrol 2t), as this happily stays suspended in diesel whereas the synthetics tend to fall out.

Cars under warranty to stay away from marine two strokes - it contains dye which isn't ideal for other warranty issues etc.

200:1 seems to be the right mix.

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FollowupID: 726088   Submitted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 21:05

Member - Scott A (NSW) posted:

I used to run Castor Oiil when racing Off road buggies (as a top end lubricant due to engine being flogged all day long)) at a similar ratio.

Thanks for the specific follow up gbc, I'll give it a go purely for the lub effect. Improved fuel economy would be a bonus, cause I love your way of thinking "eighty matey"

Rock On,
Scott
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AnswerID: 453306   Submitted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 21:36

hoffy replied:

I've been using 200:1 in CRD Jeep (Benz Engine) for 12 months and agree with others, Quieter, smoother power, minor improvement in fuel consumption.
The one thing that stands out for me is the reduction in EGT. I have a digital gauge fitted below the turbo and seeing 40-50 degree drop in temps on the same highway trip when using 2 stroke oil in fuel.
The cost of the oil is easily outweighed by the savings in fuel.
It works for me.
Graeme
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AnswerID: 453313   Submitted: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 at 22:11

trainslux replied:

I use non synthetic 2T 2 stroke oil in 200:1 ratio in my vehicle, and have done so for some years now.
Better milage, .5 to 1ltr/ 100ks improvement, quieter motor, smoother on load.

Of interest.
Non synthetic stays in suspention in diesel, some have found using synthetics that it can drop out of suspention.

I also used acetone both in petrol and diesel vehicles with excellent results as a fuel system cleaner, and on the petty motors, specially the ones with long intake manifolds with a carby, the improvements were excellent, it basically acts like a wetting agent for the fuel, thus the atomisation of the fuel is better from the carby, and you get a more complete combustion of the fuel, ie smoother and better power/ economy etc.

Also, all fuel companies add lubricity to their diesel to pass a certain standard.

At 200:1 your not going to harm any components in your fuel system, infact adding a bit more lubricity to the fuel can only be a good thing.

Cheers

Trains


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AnswerID: 453320   Submitted: Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 07:34

Ray replied:

I have been using 2 stroke oil as a lubricant for upper cylinder lubricant for years on my petrol/gas 80 ser. I wonder how adding 2 stroke to the fuel will work.?????
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FollowupID: 726128   Submitted: Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 10:10

trainslux posted:

Not in petrol, keep it in your upper cyld lube delivery system.

Better to use acetone in your fuel to act as a wetting agent to the fuel, gives better atomization of the fuel, cleans your fuel system too.

http://pesn.com/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/

for dosage.

Hope that helps.

As its in such low concentrations it wont harm your fuel lines.

Have used this for the last 7 years on my petty vehicle and no effect on my rubber fuel lines.

Cheers

Trains


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FollowupID: 726158   Submitted: Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 18:41

Trev6 posted:

Trains

Would you use both Acetone and 2 stroke oil at the same time or just one or the other on it's own?. Would the acetone help a 1HZ 80 series

thanks
trev6
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FollowupID: 726203   Submitted: Friday, May 06, 2011 at 13:18

trainslux posted:

Hi Trev6

I will answer your question, but will say this first.
haha, should have been a politician hehe.


I have used acetone in both petrol and diesel to good effect.

With the older carby petty cars, ie old valliants with long intake manifolds etc, the acetone really improved the cars running, particularly when cold.
And as an added benefit, it also cleans your fuel system removing varnish etc inside the carby and manifold.

With Diesel, it also helps with atomization of the sprayed diesel from the injector tip, a greater benefit can be gained if the injectors are not working as well as they could and the spray pattern is not quite right with higher mileage injectors, it also helps good injectors by enabling a finer spray/ atomization, thus better burn.

It also cleans away varnish and gum that can buildup, sometimes being the cause of poor spray patterns.

It also absorbs water, thus it will carry water thru the fuel system and to the injectors where, if alot of water is carried there, can damage the injector nozzles and pump.

So I say, Yes you can run 2 stroke at 200:1 in your diesel, as well as acetone at the same time.

Saying this I would recommend before using acetone to check the water drain on your fuel tanks, and make sure they are running clean.

Then check any water traps you have on your filtration system ensuring they are free from water.
Then yes, run the acetone as per ratio in the link in one of my posts.

I have noticed a reduction in black smoke on load, and better fuel burn when using acetone only.

The main reason I used acetone in diesel to begin with was to ensure my tanks were free of any moisture. I used it to enable the water to mix with the diesel and be burn, as it was a very small amount after checking the tanks and water traps etc.
It also had the benefit of better running and fuel burn too.

Hope that helps you make a decision.

I use 2 stroke all the time, and run some acetone every other month just to remove any moisture that can build up in the tank when it naturally breathes as your fuel level gets low.


Cheers

Trains
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AnswerID: 453335   Submitted: Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 10:30

downtools replied:

G'day guys,

I too have been using a 200:1 mix of 2 stroke oil in our 2004 4.2 nissan.
I don't keep accurate enough records to say for sure the economy has increased although my best guess would be 0 to half litre per hundred klms better.

I ran out of 2t oil and didn't bother about it. till I noticed the engine was noticibly noisier.

The old girl is back on the 2 stroke and sounds happier!(quietier)

I think it works.

Nifty
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AnswerID: 453386   Submitted: Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 22:47

Ron H replied:

Have been reading many a post on this subject, and this thread was one of the few negatives.
www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=257408&page=5

Has a few interesting facts and some total incorrect data..... Decide for yourselves either way!
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AnswerID: 453389   Submitted: Thursday, May 05, 2011 at 23:19

Ron H replied:

Oh , and forgot to ask , what about using kero instead? , much cheaper!
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FollowupID: 726205   Submitted: Friday, May 06, 2011 at 13:20

trainslux posted:

Kero has even less lubricity than diesel.
Adding it would only help if you are in a cold climate and want to lower your wax point of your fuel.

check BP's website, it gives the ratio of kero to add to diesel to make alpine diesel.
That is its only benefit that I can think of.

T
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