Matthew posted:

nothing wrong with my 99 Escape Pajero MATE

Donalddasher posted:

david

can u tell me what the difference is between the "deliberate product slag off" of the above question and this months 4x4 australia magazine which has the worst 4x4's of all time. both offer negative opinions on products.if the writer of the above question is to be condemmed for voicing an opinion so should the journo's of the magazine with comments which can also be described as product slag offs or is it that just because u write for a publication its accceptable. a forum is about freedom of speech for people to voice their opinion on products, services or experiences whether good or bad so the rest of us can make informed decisions. if negative criticism cannot be acccepted then it defeats the purpose of the forum.

cheers

donalddasher

Slunnie posted:

DonaldDasher, there is nothing wrong with asking questions and expressing opinions, but if you consider the short term history of some of the threads within this forum, and consider the type of question that has been asked here it should be very easy to see, and reasonable to expect that most of us who have followed these forums over the last week, to see that the question asked by Mark is quite deliberately loaded. You can look at it as a fairly clinical question on one hand, but if it is analysed at the most basic level it is just a thinly veiled cover as an excuse to start another flame war, and a question to which an answer would not take much thought at all. Whats the difference between a slag-off, and negative opinions/questions? I would start by suggesting the nature of the responses, are they accurate, constructive and beneficial or are they just mindless attacks on anything or anyone. I dont think David is trying to prevent any negative criticism, its the unreasonable conduct he is trying to prevent on what is essentially his forum (for us to use). What I wouldnt like to see is the quality and constructiveness of this forum degenerate into something unconstructive, personal and scathing. Regards Slunnie.

Bill Church posted:

Well said David, I for one am sick of post headings that are OBVIOUSLY designed to catch the eye and start a flame war. PLEASE STOP IT HAPPENING, either with warnings or by banning repeat offenders. And yes, I expect significant flaming myself for this post, but I stand fast by my comments. Bill

Dennisn posted:

'Onya Shunnie & Bill. Like you, I support the Exloroz team 100% in this matter. I for one am sick of this garbage. David [Exploroz] why not make forum access to users who only supply a verifiable and valid email address? Definitely not a "web based" email as is the case now. I am registered here under a web based email address but would willingly supply my genuine email address to the Exploroz team if it would stop this crap. This way the contributor, their email address [and of course their I.P. address] could be logged by Exploroz and people who post "flame" articles could be barred forever. It works well on other Australian bulletin Boards and forums [especially stockmarket ones]. Lets get rid of the CRAP, and get back to what this great forum is all about - helping each other get the most from our fabulous bush. And just in closing, I would like to thank the Exploroz team for providing such a great website. 'Onya fellers - enjoy the bush.

Slunnie posted:

Mark, don't believe what you have been told then. Land Rover appear to be confident in the current range of vehicles. About 2 years ago they doubled the warranty to 2yr/50000km(?). I have just read that in the UK it is now 3yr/unlimitedkm, and in Aus 3yr/100000km. My dealer (service manager actually) quite categorically states that LandRovers are not designed for the city, they're designed to be used in the bush.

Slunnie posted:

And to place a sticker in the back window, seriously! 2 chances of LR doing that.

Bob posted:

Most of what appears on this forum as criticism of particular makes is unreliable third hand information like "I've heard...." or "My neighbour had a.." This is called level 8 evidence and carries no weight whatsoever. Yes, all vehicles have problems and we may have personal or indirect knowledge of a particular problem. However, that doesn't mean all cars from that maker are duds. I would attach more credence to a properley conducted survey of vehicle faults. This is my vehicle ownership experience: Pajero 1 - no problems, Pajero 2 - no problems, LX470 - major problem, Discovery II Td5- minor problems (remote locking, CD player). Another factor seems to be the football team mentality where some people on this list can't help cheering for what they themselves presently own, and bag what comes from another maker or country - really informative stuff guys.

Damien posted:

Get off your high-horse Bob, i've heard nothing but whingeing & complaining from you & a couple of others. Some people have a view to express & they're using this forum to do it, i agree some may be going a little too far but they have every right & it's not upto you to censure them.
As for your comment about third hand information from a friend or neighbour who own Disco's, i think i'm certainly in the position to make a comment as quite often i was in my friend & neighbours disco when it broke down & left us stranded!!!!

Slunnie posted:

Mark, I'm not sure what happened here but not all of you post came out.

Cairns Offroad Training & Tours posted:

Good on ya Michelle, always look on the bright side of life ;-)
Cheers Rob

Damien posted:

Oh, aren't we the comedian! You should know about arses, you're the smart one!
How long did it take you to think of this response, quite a while by the looks of it, but then that's not surprising, judging by your IQ now is it.
If the only way you can get your point across is to become personally abusive, then you're a waste of time & space, but if that's what you want to do, i can probably drag myself into your gutter.
Can't you get it through your head, what I & several others have said is that Disco's appear to be unreliable & this has been backed up by numerous examples.
You have not done or said anything to disprove this theory. Until you come up with some credible evidence to the contrary i would say you are in denial & that you and the disco are a perfect match - both duds!!!

Damien posted:

Oh, aren't we the comedian! You should know about arses, you're the smart one!
How long did it take you to think of this response, quite a while by the looks of it, but then that's not surprising, judging by your IQ now is it.
If the only way you can get your point across is to become personally abusive, then you're a waste of time & space, but if that's what you want to do, i can probably drag myself into your gutter.
Can't you get it through your head, what I & several others have said is that Disco's appear to be unreliable & this has been backed up by numerous examples.
You have not done or said anything to disprove this theory. Until you come up with some credible evidence to the contrary i would say you are in denial & that you and the disco are a perfect match - both duds!!!

Alreadytaken69 posted:

seems that damien thinks he is only just now becoming personally abusive. makes you wonder what else he can be wrong about. just about everything, methinks!!!

Damien posted:

Well done Bob, what, can't think of anything original to write.
I don't think i've been a hypocrite - well maybe just a little bit, but hey, i'd rather be a hypocrite than a Landrover owner ha ha ha ha ha.

Slunnie posted:

Do you mean some Disco's? Reliability is not an issue in all Disco's, mine is a testiment to this so far. Regards Slunnie.

Damien posted:

Slunnie, how are you mate? Long time no talk!!
Sorry, yes you're right, i have generalised here a bit, i'll try not to do that in the future.
Good to hear your Disco's going well.

Alreadytaken69 posted:

who's upset damien? seem's to me that you are or else you would'nt be getting all emotional about this thread. as for "trying to be funny", better that than a tyrannical know-it-all like yourself.

Damien posted:

Alreadytaken69, more than 2 lines - good to see you're learning, well done buddy!
Tyrannical - big word for a little boy! Take you long to look that one up??
Now about getting upset & emotional - i don't think so, just stating the facts as they are.
Now, wasn't it you having a go at me about being personally abusive - mmm!!
Now go away you goose, you're wasting my time.

Alreadytaken69 posted:

some people never learn. you're one of them......

Damien posted:

Oh please stop it, i can't take the criticism anymore!! You're too quick witted for me!!

Damien posted:

LOL, good to see some humour in this rather heated debate!!