The Blacktop is Coming

Submitted: Thursday, Oct 27, 2022 at 08:19
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I guess it was inevitable.
The Outback Way, Tanami Road, Central Arnhem Road and Mereenie Loop to be sealed.
Read the ABC report here.
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Reply By: Bazooka - Thursday, Oct 27, 2022 at 17:06

Thursday, Oct 27, 2022 at 17:06
Unless costs have magically dropped they won't get far up the Tanami or Arnhem roads with that funding.
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Reply By: Zippo - Thursday, Oct 27, 2022 at 20:24

Thursday, Oct 27, 2022 at 20:24
It doesn't add up, Allan. Call me a cynic if you like.

Quoting from that ABC article regarding the Outback Way (for whatever value you place on their reporting competence), we find:

>> "Since 1997, more than $1 billion has been poured into the Outback Way to upgrade and seal the route."

>> "more than half of the 2,700-kilometre drive remains unpaved."

>> "welcomed the government's $678 million investment"

so while conceding that a significant part of that (in today's $$) several billion bucks which has been spent there already WASN'T ON SEALING, I find it hard to accept that three-quarters of a million will finish the sealing.

And at recent cost-per-km on remote roads, that $678M certainly won't cut it.

I'd like to be wrong, but i don't expect that.
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Follow Up By: Member - nickb boab - Thursday, Oct 27, 2022 at 21:55

Thursday, Oct 27, 2022 at 21:55
Probably going to lay hot mix straight over the Gravel Road lol ;)))
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Follow Up By: Member - Warren H - Friday, Oct 28, 2022 at 09:20

Friday, Oct 28, 2022 at 09:20
Don't laugh too hard Nick, if the state of the road from Lyndhurst to Marree is any indication that's exactly what appears to be the done. A friend I was travelling with, while not an engineer had a bit to do with road construction in NQ and we were commenting on the way it had fallen apart in under three years.
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Follow Up By: Zippo - Friday, Oct 28, 2022 at 10:55

Friday, Oct 28, 2022 at 10:55
Thankfully the part they sealed in the last couple of years east of Docker River was on a properly formed (and raised) base to decent highway standard. At that rate the $$$ will be a start only.
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Reply By: Member - Wildmax - Thursday, Oct 27, 2022 at 22:28

Thursday, Oct 27, 2022 at 22:28
Probably won't happen in my lifetime.
But if it does .....bugger !!
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Reply By: Member - McLaren3030 - Friday, Oct 28, 2022 at 08:09

Friday, Oct 28, 2022 at 08:09
A further 25 kms of the Tanami Track is currently being reconstructed and sealed as you read this. I think it will take many years for these iconic roads to be fully sealed. In my opinion, each year it will be about 50 kms, so it will take quite some time. Even if it is a 100 kms per year, it will still take something like 8 or 9 years to do the GCR.

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Reply By: Kazza055 - Friday, Oct 28, 2022 at 15:00

Friday, Oct 28, 2022 at 15:00
I think the sabre rattling by China is raising the priority for faster transit of armed forces across the country.

If Australia was to lose the NW we would be in major financial dodos.
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Follow Up By: Zippo - Friday, Oct 28, 2022 at 16:38

Friday, Oct 28, 2022 at 16:38
If this article is any guide, our armed forces wouldn't want to try a cross-country trek in a hurry.
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Saturday, Oct 29, 2022 at 07:57

Saturday, Oct 29, 2022 at 07:57
Hi Kazaa,

You may be correct, however, at the current rate of construction, it will be 8 or 9 years before the GCR and the Tanami and fully sealed. This will have very little impact on the current situation in the Asia/Pacific region.

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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Saturday, Oct 29, 2022 at 12:05

Saturday, Oct 29, 2022 at 12:05
If it is indeed for Defense purposes then I guess it makes sense. As they can only drive at night due to the day time temperatures being too hot for our Defense force to operate.
I shit you not, just been talking to some Army guys and girls based in Darwin.
They had just come back from the training ground out at Mount Bundy, night exercises only as day time temps don't allow them to train during the day.
I didn't know whether to laugh or cry when I heard that.
I'm north of 50 and still crawl around in roof cavities for work during the build up. Sometimes for hours!
I remember doing a job here 10 years ago, 8 days on the trot, 8 hours a day. December. All in the roof!
I would get down every hour or so for 10 minutes, remember walking and standing on the concrete in full sun and feeling cold. Close to heat stroke no doubt, but in my 20's I could have run around all day in a wet suit at Mount Bundy.
So there's my rant. So yeah, they need to be able to travel at night so they need sealed roads :-)
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Follow Up By: ctaplin - Sunday, Oct 30, 2022 at 01:06

Sunday, Oct 30, 2022 at 01:06
Now your North of 50, it's time to stop going into un-insulated roof spaces. You are too old to be exposed to the 60 plus degrees that is inside a Darwin roof space!

Stop being a hero and make sure you come back home to Berny!

Not worth it mate!

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Reply By: Member - peter g28 - Sunday, Oct 30, 2022 at 20:01

Sunday, Oct 30, 2022 at 20:01
Yep, eventually they will seal them..but the elephant in the room is...Who is going to maintain these roads and at what cost?
They are fighting a loosing battle just grading the CAR, it's only when GARMA comes up then the CAR gets some decent attention.
Call me sceptical, but it was not until the mid 80's the Stuart highway was fully sealed between Adelaide and Darwin and when it gets flood damage it takes weeks for repairs.
I have heard they are going to seal the Outback Way and have projections for electric car recharging stations...it will be interesting the price per kwh charged at these remote stations..the infrastructure for these alone will cost many millions to build and a lot more to maintain. Private enterprise will be charging (no pun intended) heaps to recoup their costs and in some cases the economic business case may not stack up for them to get involved.

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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Monday, Oct 31, 2022 at 08:50

Monday, Oct 31, 2022 at 08:50
Hi Pete,

You have lost me with your acronyms. CAR? GARMA? I know GCR is Great Central Road, but have not heard of the others.

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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Monday, Oct 31, 2022 at 15:06

Monday, Oct 31, 2022 at 15:06
Central Arnhem Road and GARMA festival presumably Macca
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Follow Up By: Member - peter g28 - Monday, Oct 31, 2022 at 17:27

Monday, Oct 31, 2022 at 17:27
Yep, right..
The CAR is the Central Arnhem Road which in the wet can become impassable and they close the gates at Beswick and GARMA is the Indigenous festival out at their site overlooking the Cape Arnhem peninsular.
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Follow Up By: Member - McLaren3030 - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2022 at 08:35

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2022 at 08:35
Thanks for enlightening me Peter & Bazooka. Never too old to learn.

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Reply By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Monday, Oct 31, 2022 at 09:48

Monday, Oct 31, 2022 at 09:48
You missed one Allan….lol

They claim…cough cough….that the Strezelecki Track is to be fully bitumen within 5 years…….ha ha…….

Like all these iconic tracks, I bet we will all be long gone from this earth before generations in the future see it in reality.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Monday, Oct 31, 2022 at 10:49

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Well Stephen, we came down the Strzelecki a few weeks ago and I was amazed at the sealing progress. Maybe about 25% of it is already sealed, another 25% is work in progress and the rest was as good as bitumen. All pretty boring really.
There were plenty of workers and if they keep this rate up I wouldn't be surprised to see it completely sealed within a couple of years with EV charging stations along the way!
Are you home yet?
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Follow Up By: Stephen L (Clare) SA - Monday, Oct 31, 2022 at 13:45

Monday, Oct 31, 2022 at 13:45
Yes home now unfortunately, will not stop raining and so glad we were not home for winter.

To think it is November tomorrow and we still have not had any warm weather yet, still having the fire on at night.

Planning in progress for next year, but will leave at least 6 weeks earlier to make the most of the warm weather up north.

Not sure if you have looked since you got home, but a majority of the outback roads are closed again……..when will this rain stop.

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Tuesday, Nov 01, 2022 at 14:24

Tuesday, Nov 01, 2022 at 14:24
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Blimey Stephen, I just read that snow fell not far from you in SA at Mt Bryan.
Your next holiday may be to a ski lodge!

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