<span class="highlight">hiclone</span>, worth the money?

Submitted: Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 18:41
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hi folks, who's got a hiclone and are they worth the money? i'm sick of the hole in my pocket getting bigger.
so should i spend the money. how has it affected your fuel consumption, particularly with a 4.2 turbo patrol.
thanks, simple
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Reply By: DaLUX - Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 18:50

Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 18:50
hi there do a search for Hiclone, you will get alot of results, if you want my opinion, getting your money out fo your pocket adn burning it will give you the same results..., my compnay wa givin these to test, we found no results, however im pretty sure someone on here swears by them..

dont do it..
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 19:03

Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 19:03
Hang on!!!!!!!!!!! Get ready for another bumpy ride.........

Some people reckon the HiClone thingos are gr8, others say a waste of money.

Pesty has 2 (from memory) in his 60 series n/a diesel and reckons they work as well as they claim.

Others have said they actually made the fuel economy worse. Not sure whether anybody on here with a 4.2 T/D Patrol has reported any results.

My opinion......save your money and invest in a 3" exhaust, professional tune up and maybe a full turbo make-over. I'm in the process of deciding whether to proceed with a bigger (Schwitzer) turbo to replace the existing one, which Nissan brought over from the old MQ 3.3L Patrol donk.....so it's a bit under-sized for the job.

Cheers

Roachie
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Follow Up By: simple - Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 19:06

Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 19:06
the exhaust sounds like the better option thanks roachie.
i should have read all the archives BEFORE i posted this, sorry everbody
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 20:43

Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 20:43
Hey Roachie.....So what did you end up buying at the Show today?????
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 22:07

Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 22:07
Willie,
Cost me 25 clams to get into the bloody place and I spent another $53- on food and drinks and 2 bucks on a raffle ticket to try and win a trailer load of grog........sum total of 80 bucks and nuffin for the 'trol :-(((
Still got your top deck in the engel.....
Cheers mate
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 18:16

Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 18:16
a bigger turbo means more heat!..whish means a bigger radiator!
wow!...80 bucks...glad i was made to stay home
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 18:20

Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 18:20
and you must have been speeding to get home so quick....else it was boring?
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 18:31

Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 18:31
Nudie

You poor henpecked soul. I feel for you.

I went to play at the show and bought a book, a calender, the New Raster Maps, Engel 240v chord, 2x inflatible camp beds and some food.

There was a good display of what not to buy. Decided against a lot of things lol

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 18:36

Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 18:36
excuse me willem..me hen pecked...not on your life...

she is typical female though.....no sense of humour..and hates seeing me have fun!...thats why she closes her eyes when we make whoopie
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 18:43

Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 18:43
Nudie...you still making whoopie at your age? Well done!!!!!!!!! lol
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Follow Up By: Nudenut - Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 07:38

Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 07:38
i think so to
hahaha
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Follow Up By: Member - Crazie (VIC) - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 14:37

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 14:37
Sorry Roachie

The Trailer is mine.... hahaha

Ads
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Reply By: simple - Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 19:04

Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 19:04
if i mix my fuel say 2 parts diesel 1 part water will that also reduce my fuel economy?

from what i've read in the archives thats the effect a lot of people say the hiclone has.

alternatively. does anybody want to pay my fuel bill (attractive generous 20yr old girls prefered, but i'll take anybody if they give me that much money!)
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Reply By: Exploder - Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 19:20

Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 19:20
LMAO. Now to the question.

Even if they did work, The Turbocharger on the engine would cancel out any effect it might have even had. IMO.

FORD.
(For Driving Off Road)

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Follow Up By: Utemad - Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 10:36

Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 10:36
Shouldn't that be:

For
Off
Road
Driving

or for one made up on the spot :-)

F*****g
Ordinary
Road
Driven
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Follow Up By: Alan S (WA) - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 14:03

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 14:03
or

Fix
or
Repair
Daily
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Reply By: old mate - Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 20:27

Saturday, Oct 15, 2005 at 20:27
I have read a lot about these on the Overlander forum and I can't say I have read anything positive about them at all. General consensus was not worth the money. As a previous poster has said I too would be looking at the exhaust mod.
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Reply By: Russel & Mary - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 07:14

Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 07:14
Here, try this. Get a couple of long neck beer bottles and fill them up with water. Tip them both upside down. Give one of them a swirling action to spin the water and see which one empties first. Is this the same principle as Hiclone?. Rus.
p.s. I'm not telling you, you try it out.
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 08:35

Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 08:35
Tottally flawed analogy. Water is not compressable, air is.

Swirling the bottle forces the water to the sides of the bottle by centrifugal action to allow a "string" of air up into the top bottle, releasing the vacuum at the top of the bottle. Not swirling meanr ns the air has to form individual bubbles to release the vacuum at the top of the bottle.

You also forgot to mention the energy needed to swirl the bottle, one of Newtons laws is that energy cannot be gained or lost in a system, so the energy to do the swirling has to come out of what would be otherwise used to produce power.
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 08:40

Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 08:40
Not to mention that the flow of air in the swirled bottle is in fact GOING THE OPPOSITE WAY to the water (retrograde flow).
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Follow Up By: simple - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 13:41

Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 13:41
so the swirling beer bottle empties faster, does that mean with a hiclone my fuel tank would empty faster?
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Follow Up By: Russel & Mary - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 21:57

Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 21:57
The swirling beer bottle empties slower. Rus.
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Reply By: Snowy 3.0iTD - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 08:53

Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 08:53
Simple

I have not personally tested the HiClones but have read quite a bit about them and would be fairly wary about them, they mix up the flow creating a turbulent flow, anytime you add a turbulent flow to the inlet of a pump (i.e turbo) you create uneven loading on the blades which causes load fluctuations throughout the entire impeller, this can lead to metal-fatigue cracking and premature failure. As an industrial engineer I have seen this plenty of times with pumps on various sites, I see no reason why it wouldn't apply to a smaller scale. In my experience, any sort of pump/fan works a lot better when it has a nice smooth supply of the fluid it is pumping.
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Reply By: fourstall2000 - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 09:38

Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 09:38
I tried one on a 60 series Toyota,took it back 3 weeks later.
It did change the characterists of the engine,it had more low down torque and you could feel the difference.
It had the same effect of lengthening the inlet manifold(as some variable manifolds do on modern cars)there was no improvement to economy at all.
I think they are an over expensive device that in some cases may give a minute improvement depending on the vehicle.
As others have said spend the money on extractors or a larger exhaust which have proven benefits.
regards
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Reply By: Philip A - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 10:10

Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 10:10
I bought one a couple of years ago for my 92 Range Rover 3.9.
Drove to Brisbane with and back to Sydney without. No noticable difference.
Its still on my workbench. Anyone want to buy it?
It may work on diesels but it cannot work on petrol because it is fitted before the throttle blade which is usually open only a tiny bit and will disrupt any swirl.
I can also give a special deal on Tin pellets. Am I gullible or what?
Regards Philip A
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Reply By: Brew69(SA) - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 10:57

Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 10:57
Am i missing something here? A bit like the fitch gizmo......both have money back guarantee so whats to lose????? If it works good....if not get your money back.
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 15:58

Sunday, Oct 16, 2005 at 15:58
Mine works
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Reply By: Sea-Dog - Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 11:16

Monday, Oct 17, 2005 at 11:16
I think the Hiclones would only work for a carby fed engine..... I think that your motor has direct injection into the ports which would entirely defeat any fancy air flow claims.... also I believe diesel to be a different kettle of fish anyway as it is not a fine vapour being ignited by the spark plug like a petrol/gas motor that gets you going and if the diesel is in the pot when it is compressed and it is all timed up right all the fuel should be burnt off anyway... regarless of what direction it was turning as it was pushed into the pot by the turbo.

My 2 cents but I am by no means an expert but I know that I wont be buying a Hiclone for my turbo diesel.

Cheers
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Reply By: prado_95 - Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 11:47

Tuesday, Oct 18, 2005 at 11:47
You can have Hyclone for $50 - thats WAY less than I paid for it.

It is rumoured you need TWO for turbo engines - twice the price for the same gain ??

Dave
prado_95@yahoo.com
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