<span class="highlight">Hiclone</span> results - Broome to Perth

Submitted: Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 09:40
ThreadID: 47223 Views:5433 Replies:21 FollowUps:27
This Thread has been Archived
Hi all, well the wife and I have just completed our trip from Broome to Perth in our 4.5ltr petrol Cruiser. With a few stops on the way, we ended up clocking up 2500kms

When I drove up to Broome from Perth in December the total fuel bill was $870. At that time I only had a Vaporate fuel saver in the Cruiser but for the trip down I added two Hiclones and found some great results.

The total fuel bill this time round was $650.

Everything depends on how you drive with these things as well. We never went over 115kph unless over taking trucks. There's no point having a fuel device if you're a lead foot.

OK so thats it for now, I'm going back to bed but will get some more accurate results for you guys. Short term summary, I'm impressed with the Hiclone results, they've done well for us.
Back Expand Un-Read 0 Moderator

Reply By: Des Lexic - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 09:49

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 09:49
The results may look good at first on paper but you have forgotten that the road to Broome is all uphill and obviously downhill on the return journey. Just look at any map and you will see that Broome is a lot higher up on the continent. i.e. Broome is about 18 degrees latititude and Perth is 32 degrees :-))))
AnswerID: 249807

Follow Up By: GoneTroppo Member (FNQ) - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:03

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:03
Bugger... you beat me to it, was going to say the same thing.
Although I think you've got your temperatures the wrong way round:-)
0
FollowupID: 510837

Follow Up By: Des Lexic - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:10

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:10
Troppo, I know I've got the temperatures around the wrong way but I'm trying to start a conspiracy where us southerners can get the warmer temperatures in winter instead of you lucky buggers getting it all the time.
0
FollowupID: 510840

Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:32

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:32
I'm dissappointed in you guys, you have the theory wrong.
Hi Clone can give really good results going down from Broome to Perth.

Problem is that they don't work so well on the way back, this is because
they work by creating a clockwise swirl motion.

When going back up you need to first reverse your HiClone so that the
air now swirls in an anti-clockwise direction

Robin Miller
Robin Miller

Member
My Profile  Send Message

0
FollowupID: 510841

Follow Up By: Member - John L G - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:39

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:39
Des

It just may not be as silly as it seems....

I have experienced travel to Broome a number of times and always experienced large fuel usage going north than when returning. One trip I actually spent some time checking the engine, air cleaners, fuel etc as I simply couldn't achieve a comfortable cruising speed without putting my foot into it. My son also ran out of fuel in his Rodeo one year when he clearly shouldn't have.

Im not alone in this. Ask the locals.

Has some thing to do with a constant headwind methinks rather than the gradient....LOL

The only real way to check hiclones or any other fuel saving device for that matter is to do round trips - not one way.

0
FollowupID: 510847

Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:53

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:53
Hi John,
Must be something about how I attract these things, but every time I've gone north to Broome, I've had a headwind. Leave Hedland eastwards, and the wind's from the east. Curve around to the north, and the wind comes from the north. On the return trip, it's a southerly, and as we veer around west to Hedland, it comes from the west. Similarly, each Nullarbor run I do, I get a headwind. In the words of that famous person, "Why is it so?"
Now I reckon I should get a grant to research this further, starting with a subsidy for my fuel bills.
Gerry
0
FollowupID: 510855

Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 12:06

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 12:06
Prefer CYclones myself,! when the air is behind you, just put it in neutral & do 90km/ hr and use no fuel. :))))).

Axle.
0
FollowupID: 510865

Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 15:00

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 15:00
they make more difference when the fuel cost varies. Fuel was a lot more expensive back in December, before Christmas when the fuel price for the journey was higher. I'm with Axle, you could blow a L'Cruiser anywhere.

Mr Lexic, I know why you like driving to the Southern coast now with the latitude prominence you have. You get there with less fuel! It's just that going home stuffs every holiday, but we already knew that.

Robin, I think you aught stick to electronics. ;-))))
0
FollowupID: 510898

Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 15:02

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 15:02
I know, in December the aircon had to work harder too. Better put another Hiclone in the aircon intake to reduce the air access there too.
0
FollowupID: 510900

Follow Up By: Coops (Perth) - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2007 at 17:11

Tuesday, Jul 03, 2007 at 17:11
whatabout the theory that it's shorter travelling south because you're on the inside lane all the way down.
0
FollowupID: 511683

Reply By: fisho64 - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 09:51

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 09:51
great that you got a good result out of it, I found no change whatsoever in my Hilux diesel, over an 1800 km roundtrip midwest to Albany.
An interesting comparison though is our cruiser 1HD-FTE used the same value of fuel, 570 litres (prices were around the same this time last year also) to drive Gold Coast to midwest WA, at 115 to 130kmh, 4700km.
AnswerID: 249810

Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:09

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:09
Maybe ...just maybe Brett is part of the Co' that makes them , or has an interest in it , or is an agent.
gift by Daughter

Lifetime Member
My Profile  My Blog  Send Message

0
FollowupID: 510839

Reply By: Time - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:44

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:44
Petrol prices go up and down so $s is not relevant for comparison.

How many litres did you use, did you fill from the same pumps, what was the useage between stops, what was the average speed between stops, what weight where you carrying both ways, what was on the roof rack on the way up etc etc ................. and how many shares do you have in the co!

Check here for some science www.fuelsaving.info/turbulence.htm
AnswerID: 249816

Follow Up By: George - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:54

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:54
While spoil the yarn with science, whats next? would we dare to doubt so heavily promoted electronic rust protection gizmos?
0
FollowupID: 510856

Follow Up By: Shaker - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 18:20

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 18:20
Why would you question the integrity of the original poster??
0
FollowupID: 510948

Follow Up By: ross - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2007 at 17:50

Tuesday, Jul 03, 2007 at 17:50
Why does the poster insult out intelligence with this crap?
0
FollowupID: 511691

Reply By: Wizard1 - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:50

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 10:50
I had Hiclones in for a few years until yesterday. Had the car dyno tuned after fitting a 2 3/4 inch mandrel exhaust which apparetly causes the engine to lean out.

The mechanic apparently tested Hiclones for the QLD distributor years ago and the results weren't good.

Apparently they also cause some stress on the turbo components, not sure which ones, because of the reduced air flow into the turbo.

If a specialist in turbo diesels doesn't like them there must be a reason.
AnswerID: 249819

Follow Up By: Stu050 - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 17:50

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 17:50
Putting it before the turbo would defeat the purpose of having the hiclone wouldn't it?

If one was to put one or two of these devices into a car, wouldn't it be better after the turbo?
0
FollowupID: 510946

Reply By: Garbutt - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 11:13

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 11:13
What I want to know is, as in the northern hemisphere your sink drains in the opposite swirl direction as in the southern hemisphere, do northern hemisphere Hiclones swirl the opposite way to southern ones???

AnswerID: 249822

Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 15:08

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 15:08
It's a bit like back pedalling Mr Garbutt, some times it works better than others. Something though, it is always easier than pedalling forwards, even if it doesn't get you anywhere ;-))))))))))
0
FollowupID: 510904

Reply By: obee - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 11:22

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 11:22
whatever a hyclone does to the air stream once the air hits the turbo fan it must be undone surely?

Owen

AnswerID: 249823

Follow Up By: kiwicol - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 19:16

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 19:16
shshshshsh dont tell every one. Col
0
FollowupID: 510956

Reply By: Pezza (Bris) - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 11:42

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 11:42
I doubt that any fuel saving device that works on air flow does much for any turbo'd vehicle, as anything the device does to the aiflow will mean nothing once the turbo gets hold of that same airflow.
Brett was using it in a naturally aspirated 4.5 petrol.
Firstly, Brett, as we don't know much about you as this is your first post as a member, and seeing as you have only been a member for 3 days, we would like to know if you have any connection or affiliation with these 2 products before taking any of your comments seriously.
Secondly, as somebody else mentioned, end cost of fuel for the trip means nothing,
next time start with a full tank, go up and back with the device fitted and record litres when filling the tank upon return, then do it again a second time without the device and work out lt/100km or km/lt and let us know your results then.

Avagoodn
Pezza
AnswerID: 249824

Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 16:18

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 16:18
. . . and the small tubes in an Intercooler will stop ANY swirling action.
0
FollowupID: 510918

Reply By: fisho64 - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 11:44

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 11:44
there sure are some cynics on here-I wonder why ?(you can count me as one though!)
AnswerID: 249826

Reply By: Member - Greydemon (WA) - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 11:44

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 11:44
If you did the same test driving from Perth to Melbourne, then repeated it from Melbourne to Perth you would get a huge difference. The trip by plane between these two can vary by up to two hours because of the winds.

I support the theory above that headwinds could have caused the difference.

I have no opinion on these things - I have no idea if they work or not but would like to know. I agree that cost is not the measure to use but fuel consumption.

Thanks for trying Brett but I think a 25% reduction is probably beyond even Hiclones claims which suggests that other factors were heavily involved.

Another interpretation could be that the Vaporate device was actually causing you to use more fuel and you gained a benefit simply by removing it!
AnswerID: 249827

Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 12:03

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 12:03
Brett C claims a difference in $ worth of fuel used. Now if you have long range tanks and fill up at a certain road house ..... there will be mega bucks difference.
AnswerID: 249829

Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 15:06

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 15:06
let alone, time of travel for fuel cost, use of aircon. They all make a difference, especially with a 4.5 petrol L'Cruiser......
0
FollowupID: 510902

Reply By: Rip64 - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 13:32

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 13:32
Surely results should have been in "consumption" not "cost" ??????
AnswerID: 249845

Reply By: Rod W - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 13:41

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 13:41
Brett C,

Its good to see that you saved some dollars, but with the way fuel prices fluctuate it means nothing. What I would like to see is some k's per litre figures.
AnswerID: 249846

Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 16:20

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 16:20
"When I drove up to Broome from Perth in December the total fuel bill was $870.
The total fuel bill this time round was $650. "

A saving of $220 - gee, would that be the cost of two Cyclones - to help us work out how much they would save us ?????
AnswerID: 249870

Reply By: Member - Barry M (NSW) - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 16:51

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 16:51
Interesting responses, some funny, most negative to the Hiclone. What concerns me is this. If the thing is a dud as most ,including me, assume...how is it that the
distributor can afford to continually advertise in the mags? Must cost a Motza!!!
If many use the money back guarantee because its a dud it would ruin the profit
margin. Or are most buyers too embarrassed to return it. I suppose the mark up
to retail is huge, but even so, how does something continue to sell when it is
commonly regarded as a rip off ? Beats me......oldbaz.

AnswerID: 249877

Follow Up By: awill4x4 - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 19:22

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 19:22
It's pretty easy oldbaz.
These fuel saving devices are all marketed in the same way and that is because there are 2 government agencies they wish to remain under the radar of. These 2 agencies are the EPA and Consumer Affairs.
To avoid coming under the scrutiny of the EPA is really quite simple, if I want to sell a product for a vehicle it must not adversely effect the emissions of that vehicle. It doesn't have to improve emissions or improve economy it just has to pass the test. No judgement is made by the EPA regarding its worth, it simply passes the test or it does not.
For instance, I could make a product which installs into a vehicle and does b@gger all and so long as it passes the test (remember it doesn't have to be better) the EPA is happy.
Now for Consumer Affairs, again, it's pretty simple. I offer a money back guarantee and here's the really clever bit. " I actually honour that guarantee" Of course there's a reasonable time limit and of course there's the inevitable stalling "Oh, you need two of those devices in your particular model car. Or, that wasn't the best place to install on your particular car it needs to be installed here instead."
Often by that time, the money back time limit has expired but if the customer really wants to argue the fact I'll just give him a refund to show him just how reputable our company is even if it has gone over the agreed money back time limit.
The reason I do this is because I know that for every refund I have to make that on average I might sell 20 or 50 or whatever number which aren't returned. The selling price of the unit incorporates a figure which allows for X percentage refunds.
So now I've got the EPA happy, Consumer Affairs happy and if the customer wants a refund then he's happy too. And most of all I'm happy because I'm selling more units than are returned.
Regards Andrew.
0
FollowupID: 510958

Follow Up By: ross - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2007 at 17:49

Tuesday, Jul 03, 2007 at 17:49
Most vehicles doing the same trip each week get different fuel consumption .
Its because of a whole pile of variables that are impossible to log ,things such as headwinds,different traffic speeds,tyre pressure,traffic lights etc.

So at least half the buyers of Hiclowns get an improvement in the 1st week and they naturally attribute it to the fuelsaver device.
Next week the economy is down and they ignore it or put it down to an anomaly.

Another week or two and the 30 day money back guarantee is over.

Now most of these fuel saver devices cost a few dollars to make in countries where the labour is cheap.
They then add $100-$200 mark up and you only need to sell a few dozen each week to make a handsome profit even if they have to refund a few disgruntled buyers.
Returned Hiclowns must be clean and undamaged so they can be put in a box and resold to the next dope.
0
FollowupID: 511690

Reply By: Member - Brett C (WA) - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 19:36

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 19:36
You guys crack me up, I needed a laugh!!

And no, I don't work for the company.......bugger that I reckon.

I think these hiclone things will only work well in large petrol motors on long trips and thats pretty much it.

I do a fair few long trips so it'll work out well for me.

Each to their own though.

So anyone got any work going? Just temporary stuff in the WA metro area.
AnswerID: 249904

Follow Up By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 20:13

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 20:13
What do you do????????????
Dunc
Make sure you give back more than you take

Lifetime Member
My Profile  My Blog  Send Message

0
FollowupID: 510973

Follow Up By: Member - Brett C (WA) - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 02:14

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 02:14
With the Navy, was working for Customs Coastwatch in Broome, have returned to Perth to go back to Subs,
0
FollowupID: 511067

Follow Up By: ross - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2007 at 17:38

Tuesday, Jul 03, 2007 at 17:38
Well actually Brett I had a similar experience with my diesel landcuiser on a return trip from Perth to Newman a few weeks back.
I used about 5% more fuel one way than the other,except I had no HiClowns.
0
FollowupID: 511688

Reply By: anleky - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 20:35

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 20:35
We have customers who have machinery with 15L diesel motors and got sucked into fitting them and didn't notice any difference. The instrumentation tells fuel usage in L/hr and L/ha.
I laugh at the advert when they show the fuel being mixed with the air flow through the hyclone, yet on the advert they show it fitted before the fuel is admitted to the air stream.
Even if the 'swirling effect' continues through the intake runners (around all the corners), too much can be negative by separating the fuel air through centrifugal effect.

Send them back, get your money and get a tune up.
AnswerID: 249921

Reply By: Dieseljuice - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 20:49

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 20:49
Hey guys,
I dont know why there is so many jokes going round about Hi-clones as in my experience they are by far the most necessary mod I have ever fitted. Around town they cut my fuel bill in half and on the highway at 100klms p/h my fuel usage is almost nil.

See,I have fitted four Hi-clones, one to each axle via the wheel hub. Now the force of the swirling air transmits drive to each wheel, thus with the higher speeds of highway travel I use almost no fuel as the hi-clones are really doing their stuff!!

I also confer with the guy that posted about placing a hi-clone in the aircon intake as this appears to produce cold air without actually switching on the compressor as the fast spinning air creates low pressure which as we all know form the weather maps is actually cold air.

I have also absolutely no need now for a battery to start my truck as I have hooked up yet another hi-clone to a flyhweel just in front of my radiator and as the hiclone spins the air it turns the flywheel, which has so far never stopped spinning due to the tremendous force the hiclone emits. The flywheel is subsequently ready to engage where the starter motor normally would.

I am glad that so many people have not realized the hiclones full potential as i have, for surely the price of my purchasing yet another one for another special application would place it far out of my reach.

Please, keep "The Secret" of the Hiclone just to us eploreoz enthusiasts
Cheers

DJ

AnswerID: 249927

Reply By: Aandy(WA) - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 21:19

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 21:19
Hi Brett - I guess you've just put this post on to stir people up a bit. You've succeeded but you've only stirred up humour lol. Fuel saving devices never stand up to any scientific testing and dare I say it the fuel cost is not quite a scientific way of determining how much fuel you used.
Now meanwhile I just bought this bottle of hair restorer from the Chemist. I've used it once and there is definitely hair growing on my bald head. While I was at the Chemist's I bought this medicine and it cured my common cold instantly .....
Cheers!
AnswerID: 249938

Follow Up By: David N. - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 21:55

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 21:55
What he said!
0
FollowupID: 511032

Follow Up By: Mainey (WA) - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 22:19

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 22:19
Has anyone used the "spray on skin" developed by a very special lady here in Perth ?

Some "products" are too incredible & unreal to be thought of as factual - aren’t they ?

Back to Hyclone if you buy one and it dosn't work - take it back.
I've 2 installed, I could have returned them - but I'm happy ☺
0
FollowupID: 511041

Reply By: V8Diesel - Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 21:55

Friday, Jun 29, 2007 at 21:55
Hey Brett, are you the silver 100 series Brett from the radio?

If so hows it all going cobber. I did a trip with you once with D4Dave around Kwinana and the hills towards Mandurah. I have that lifted 100 series the same colour as yours. How's the spy planes going mate?
AnswerID: 249948

Follow Up By: Member - Brett C (WA) - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 02:35

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 02:35
Hey there!! Yep, thats me. Working for Coastwatch was awesome but it became to expensive to live in Broome, the wife and I were looking at paying a minimum of $700 a week in rent so we had to make an executive decision and come home to Perth. Got some awesome photos though!

What have you been up to since?
0
FollowupID: 511068

Follow Up By: V8Diesel - Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 10:35

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 10:35
$700 a week is pretty steep innit!

I'll see you around the traps.
0
FollowupID: 511120

Reply By: Member - Royce- Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 00:25

Saturday, Jun 30, 2007 at 00:25
I agree with your observation that it "depends on how you drive".

Usually cons like these use that effect. You pay money, fit them and then look for results.... even to the extent of making sure they come true.

But... well... maybe the results are valid.

You now need to do it over a few times. Take em out and drive the distance again... put them back in and drive again..

Each time the results get closer to reliable.

You probably need to quote fuel consumption rather than cost though.

AnswerID: 249964

Reply By: G.T. - Tuesday, Jul 03, 2007 at 12:45

Tuesday, Jul 03, 2007 at 12:45
Wot? No Bill`s input on this post. Amazing ! Regards G.T.
AnswerID: 250482

Sponsored Links