Lap tops

http://www.quicken.com.au/Support/vistaUpdate.aspx

My other computer runs xp and all works fine so it makes me think its vista.

All the best
Eric

Mike
I said that for me once when I went from W98 SE to XP. You blokes have no patience, and no idea, I been using Vista on my Daughters PC and found it great, as I said in my other post in this section if a program is not compatible you can change the settings.....if you know how

>You blokes have no patience, and no idea

Actually, Doug, I do have an idea - and, no doubt, a lot more of one in this area than you.

Perhaps you would share with us your professional qualifications and professional experience in the area of computing with particular regard to operating systems?

Mike Harding

==>You blokes have no patience

Yep, you spot on – to use Vista one needs *A LOT OF* patience. I would ditch it on the spot in favor of XP, or better still W200Pro. FYI I am IT professional (i.e. earn money by program computers) and I am using W2K. It is lighting fast on new hardware and I fail to see even slightest to upgrade to anything else. Perhaps just make Bill richer.

Mike
I don't give a crap what qualifications you have but if you have them why don't you use them, As for me NO i don't have IT qualifications, I don't work on computers for a living, I can negotiate PCs enough to sort out my own issues and I don't mind giving some hints to others if it will help , Not throw in the towel like you and say "Personally I would ditch Vista and install XP". Where's your super know how Mike. use it instead of going on with all your usual crap and give some useful information to those who need it or press the little red button in the top right corner,

Doug, biggest problem is no-one *NEED* Vista at all, it is just marketing gimmick to make people pay more money. As far as progress in OS goes it stops in Microsoft case at NT4.0. I am using W2K (instead of NT) for two main reason – USB support and easies of changing settings (NT require rebooting even if you change screen resolution). As far as stability and performance W2K far superior to XP. And Vista require monster computer to run smoothly – 1G of RAM is just barely enough. Thus one need to spend even more money to keep “up to date”. And what to gain instead? Productivity? Nope. Stability? No way! Just flashy (or should I say flUshy :-) ) looks. And for this pay lots of money for hardware and software? Not enough justification for me – I need a tool, fast and stable one.
Cheers.

Doug: when posting to this forum in regard to areas of technology you would be well advised to follow the advice of George Eliot:

"Blessed is the man, who having nothing to say, abstains from giving wordy evidence of the fact."

George Eliot
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Mike Harding

I could'nt give a Rats ar$e about some has been called George Eliot

Come on fellows settle.
The advice It sounds like is to dump vista and reload xp on the new lap top.
QB runs on the lap top the only thing I cant do is back up to any thing not even the C drive.
I personally don't see any difference with vista other it wont let QB back up.
I can back up on my other computer and that runs xp.
So I feel its a vista issue.
Will xp still run my lap top OK or is this going to be another problem.

Many thanks
Eric

XP will run on your laptop perfectly fine assuming that you can get drivers for it. Check with manufacture (i.e. look at their website and try to download drivers for XP for your hardware; be aware that some drivers set unavailable in some contry, so check Europe, USA and Singapore sites as well).
Cheers

Hi Eric,
I have Vista on a laptop and from what i gather, if any program has to make changes to a file such as backups etc then that file cannot be in the Program Files folder because it doesn't allow writing to the files in that folder.
I think if you change the location of your backup files to another location outside of the Programs Files folder it might work. I have had no problems using Vista even though i tried to get a laptop with XP on it at first i am happy to use vista now.

Its in the documentation somewhere and i have read it on IT forums.

The thing IT people CANT tell you or understand is that the main thing an IT system needs is useability. If I cant use it it useless and if it takes me too long to work out then its a waste of time.
All the features or updates wont change that fact

DougT.
I would suggest you don't really have a clue.

Eric,
I know so many people with MAJOR hassles with Vista. As usual MS brought it out with so many known problems, and so much "designed in" obsolescence as far as other software is concerned. It's all about the mighty $$$.
XP runs much better and faster than Vista on any computer.

I would definitely ditch Vista and go for XP in preference.
Hooroo

With QB you have to buy the full upgrade to the new version, unless you pay the support charge which will include new versions.

Nothing for nothing from Accounting package vendors.

Doesn't surprise me. Thats really ordinary.

I don't find it surprising that updates cost money, it's OK by me that if someone does work to make a product operate in conditions that didn't exist previously they should get paid for it.

I assume when you work you expect to get paid.

How about bug fixes? Should one have to pay to have original design faults fixed?

Mike Harding

No, but not running on Vista is not a bug

I agree with regards to paying for upgrades to new versions. Thats fair enough. But something as major as a new O/S release, especially when it is preloaded (forget the whole option of XP preload as not everyone is offering this), to mind, this is where that little thing known as "good faith" comes into play. Surely it would be to the benefit of both the customer and the company to release a patch or revised version to enable at least the version that was current at the time of Vista's release to install onto vista.

Especially if what some people are saying is true and that programs such as QB have not kept up to speed with changes to their own compatibility with XP and the likes. If they still have some legacy print routines etc, then the ownus is even more so on the company to ensure compatibility for their product and not expect the client to "roll back" for just their application.

Fair enough, not supporting earlier versions, but many companies release such patches/updates in "good faith" CA did that with their Internet Security suite and A/V products and I know of a few other vendors who have done the same.

For CA antivirus, you pay maintenance by renewing your subscription annually. In CA's case, that includes product updates, but not all AV providers do that - a certain Yellow one comes to mind....

If you pay maintenance for QB, you also get the updates included, so I can't see how that is different.

The question of how bad the QB and MYOB programs are technically is really a different argument, and you won't find me touting their excellence on that front. I don't think either of them are very good at all. In fact, QB would not activate on XP if you happened to have IE7 installed. It's not just Vista that gives QB problems.....

Hi truckster I have bought the satellite.
Did you have any issues with the lap top not running the same when xp was installed.
Or is that just a dumb question.

All the best
Eric

No problems a all.

Tecra A9 here just finished changing to XP - running like clock work. Boots same as the other A9 sittin next to it with Vista (vista about 2 seconds quicker but less apps installed - wow)

My Tecra A8 and all others are smooth sailing :)

Do it you wont regret it.. just create a recovery DVD before you start so if it does bleep itself, you can roll back.
I am sure you will be jhappy with what you know

Thanks truckster a few replies up the person is saying you need new drivers and the like what does it all mean.

The one have got is the this is what its called on the user ifo guide.

Toshiba satellite A200/ satellite Pro a200seires.

Whats it all mean can I get vista off it and put XP on it.

All the best
Eric

I havent had any problems with drivers on any of the I've done...
But with the way today has been for me being home, who knows, it may it maynot...

As long as you create a recovery CD you can always go back.
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Truckster,
I am sick to death of problem after problem with Vista on my laptop.

Stupid Question. How do I get a valid copy of XP to run on it? Do I have to fork out more dough to Mr Gates?

>How do I get a valid copy of XP to run on it?

Do you really need it to be valid? You have paid for Vista but will not use it so I cannot see a moral issue with using a pirate copy of XP? I appreciate you may have work issues with pirate s/w.

Mike Harding

Vista License is backwards compatible. you can call M$ and they will give you another license free. I have for all mine so far.

Vista SP1 has not been released yet.

Got this email from Microsoft on the 5/9.

"Windows Vista SP1 Availability
SP1 will contain changes focused on addressing specific reliability and performance issues we've identified via customer feedback, supporting new types of hardware, and adding support for several emerging standards. SP1 also makes additional improvements to the IT administration experience."

Yes, you are right, beta release of SP1 in the next few weeks.

Correction noted, I didn't follow the lead far enough.

This doesn't work with QB. The program suite is incompatible with Vista. Turning UAC off doesn't overcome the problem either.

Hi Clive I can run QB V7 on the lap top but cant back it up
Is that what you found or it just wouldn't run.

Many thanks
Eric

Eric.
Got a new Desk top at work with vista. Tried to load QB v7 and Quicken Personal from their original CDs and they wouldn't install at all. Just brought up error message. Rang Quicken help line and they said no go for vista and no patch as they no longer support V7. Purchased an upgrade to QB2007 and it had copies of earlier verisions on the CD, which you use in stages to up grade from realy old versions. Lost a lot if not all my archive data. Dealer took new machine away and replaced with XP Pro like we run all through here, and lap tops as well. QB7 loaded fine onto new machine then, and it works good. Did a full back up and put it away before I started on any of this.
Clive.

Hmmmmm that is one of the most intelligent answers I have seen from you, ...good one

>> HOWEVER it is possible to sometimes get the OS to recognise such sw

but not always... and in this case, it doesnt work. so optionsa re to dishout bux on new program when old one works fine and that will do nothing else but to work on vista, or just install XP..

But isn't Vista newer? So it must be better? And doesn't it have Digital Rights Management which mean the record companies will be able to maximise their profits? And isn't it configured to delete software it doesn't like from your hard drive?

Sounds like a "must buy" to me.

Mike Harding

PS. What does it do which XP doesn't? Security? What a hoot :)

DIO
I know of a huge number of people who've had major dramas with Vista- including me.
Basically a lot of hard work and time and money, to get a "pretty" system up and running, which runs so much worse than XP.

What's the point unless you like donating your hard earned dollars to "poor" old Bill Gates.
Hooroo

Thanks for the reply how do you back up manually.
As said above all seems to work other than back up It wont let it back up any were on the computer.
Do I have to buy an external drive I am not sure what you are telling me.


All the best
Eric

Find the location of your *.QBW file, and copy it to a CD, USB stick, or external hard drive. It's most likely in C:\Program Files\Intuit\Quickbooks\datafile.

Backing up the file onto the same computer hard drive is next to useless - if your hard drive dies or the laptop gets stolen, your backup can't be accessed.

Grab yourself an external hard drive, or even a 4Gb USB drive and copy tour documents and files to that, and keep in a different location.

I have tried backing up to a usb but it wouldnt do that either.
It goes throught the motions but when completed says back up was NOT sucsesfull.

Mnay thanks
Eric

Backup from within Quickbooks may fail, but COPY the file as I described will not fail (make sure Quickbooks is not using the file)

For what its worth, I have xp on my Toshiba laptop all my installed programmes work fine, I purchased a new PC for home with Vista installed, had trouble with some of my programmes working, took it to the computer shop where I purchased it and they also had trouble getting them to work, so they loaded XP for me and now every thing works fine.............BUT sooner or later we will have to upgrade to Vista as they won't be doing upgrades liked they stopped doing them for W98se............And you do need at least 1GB of memory to make Vista work properly, I know that you can still use 512kb but 1Gb is what is recommended.

Mike what model Toshiba satellite have you got.

All the best
Eric

I have the Toshiba "Tecra" a great laptop

> .............BUT sooner or later we will have to upgrade to Vista

Actually if you wait 2yrs, the replacement for Vista will be out according to Uncle Gates...

Did the store you bought it from exchange it for you.

All the best
Eric

Vista Sucks!
My latest laptop with Vista has caused a massive amount of grief and wasted time.

My next computer will be an Apple!

Yes Vista sucks, buy an Apple and then you'll be posting it sucks too eventually..!

There is nothing to say you have to use every version of M$ Windows. My upgrade progression was DR DOS, Win 3.11, Win 98se, and finally XP. As you can see I have skipped a few versions. If I can get my BigPond wireless modem to work on Linux then Windows gets the flick.

PeterD

Valid point = Vista is just a pretty pretty...