Batteries & solar

Submitted: Saturday, Aug 14, 2010 at 18:11
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Hi I think I may have a problem with my batteries or solar panel, I have been off mains power for the last 7 days, the most my battery has been achieving is 12.5v
all I have been using is the water pump 3 led lights for approx 3 hours 12v TV for 3 hours and a Cpap machine for up to 8 hours per night, in the morning after I switch off the Cpap machine it is down to between 11.5 and 12, I'm just north of Mackay at the moment and have had full sun all day, and have not used any power part from the water pump and charged a telephone up for about half an hour, and yet I still only have 12,2v.

If anyone has any ideas I would be most grateful, also if anyone can suggest a firm in Townsville I could go and have everything checked out, that would also be great.

Rob
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Reply By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Saturday, Aug 14, 2010 at 18:50

Saturday, Aug 14, 2010 at 18:50
Hello Robert,

based on a load budget I did the other day for one of my cpap battery customers:
Based on the cpap power requirement of 1.2A @ 110VAC equals a bit over 130 Watts, and DC/AC inverter losses of 20%, and a cpap run-time of 7 hours, you're looking at an energy requirement of around 1.1kWh per night.

This means, your installed solar power needs to be at least 250W. This is based on 5PSH, and 15% battery over-charge to restore 100% of charge.
What's more, the solar charge controller needs to output a boost charging voltage and this voltage needs to be kept up for a couple of hours after it's been reached, to (almost) fully restore 100% of full charge.

Because you're also running other things, most notably your telly with a daily energy requirement of around 150~200Wh, your installed solar power needs to be in the range of 300W plus.

Do you have this kind of solar muscle installed, and is your regulator capable of boost charging your batteries?
What is the combined Ah capacity of your batteries?

Best regards, Peter
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Follow Up By: Member - Barnray (NSW) - Saturday, Aug 14, 2010 at 19:24

Saturday, Aug 14, 2010 at 19:24
Peter your spot on in your assesment of the problem I have a Cpap and it will burn up battery supply. Barnray
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 at 02:27

Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 at 02:27
I use a 'Remstar pro m series' Cpap on an inverter with no 12v power hassles, so it must be the model that he has that uses more power, or the battery bank is inefficient??

Maîneÿ . . .
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Reply By: oldtrack123 - Saturday, Aug 14, 2010 at 18:53

Saturday, Aug 14, 2010 at 18:53
Hi Robert

We would need more info to be of any real help
What size batteries , solar panels what does the tv & Cpap m/c draw [watts or amps]
But I would think your load amphrs draw is exceeding your solar input amphrs .
Batteries just getting flatter & flatter each day
Cut down on power use, especially @ night[no tv] & see if batteries voltage rises
Peter
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Follow Up By: Member - Robert S (NSW) - Saturday, Aug 14, 2010 at 20:25

Saturday, Aug 14, 2010 at 20:25
Thanks for your help so far, I have 2x 100ah gel batteries and 120watt solar panel.

On the base of the cpap m/c it says "AC:100-240V 50/60 Hz 110v 400Hz. 2.5A DC: 12v 2.5A

The TV manual says power consumption on, <45w off <2w.

As for charging my laptop, forget it I just don't bother, apart from the water pump, I only use 4 of the 16 lights in the MH and those are the 4 that I've changed to LEDs

Rob
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Follow Up By: Member - Barnray (NSW) - Saturday, Aug 14, 2010 at 21:27

Saturday, Aug 14, 2010 at 21:27
You have to remember that all calcs are done on the basis that your panel is directly facing the sun at all times if you panel is fixed then the input power will reduce as the sun moves overhead. B
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Follow Up By: Battery Value Pty Ltd - Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 at 00:12

Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 at 00:12
Hello Robert,

so you've got a more energy efficient cpap using only 2.5A on 12V.
That's 20Ah per night.
Your telly gobbles 12Ah while running, and up to 3Ah in standby.
And the LEDs about 3Ah.
Total: 38Ah

Your 120W panel's only good for an average of 35Ah per day.

But on sunny days, this energy requirement should be easily met, if the panel faces due north at ~30-40 degree up from horizontal. And even better, if you make it fully face the sun every couple of hours or so.

Looking at your voltage figures your batteries don't get to see a lot of charge from the panel, if any at all.

Disconnect the panel and measure the voltage across its terminals while the sun shines. You want to see around 20V.
Then, connect the panel and measure again, this time across the PV+/- terminals on the solar regulator. You want to see a voltage equal to the battery voltage (or slightly higher by 50~100mV).
If this voltage is high (~20V), then there could be a blown fuse on/inside the regulator.
Are there some indicator lights on your regulator, showing something out of the ordinary?
Check this, and report back.

Best regards, Peter
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Follow Up By: Mike DiD - Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 at 00:35

Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 at 00:35
"if the panel faces due north at ~30-40 degree up from horizontal."

- and if the panel is TOTALLY in the sun i.e . not a trace of shade on it.

I'm amazed how often I see panels leaning against the side of the van - i.e. totally or partially in the shade.
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Reply By: Mandrake's Solar Power- Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 at 08:57

Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 at 08:57
Rob ,

As Peter has suggested you need to measure the Volts coming in from the panel AND also the short-circuit Amps - I assume your panel is flat roof mounted so disconnect the +ve battery cable from the controller and test Voltage and Amps at the controller solar input terminals - s/be 20 V + and around 7 Amps ..
If that is the readings then the controller / wiring / battery may have problems ..
While you have the battery cable disconnected try measuring Amps going to the battery ( Making sure you change the probe socket on your MM )
If this shows a similar figure to the panel then It would look like your cable / battery - If this is way lower then controller is not well.

I'd be considering an MPPT controller as a replacement if that is the case.

Cheers

Steve
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