D4D Diesel the new <span class="highlight">grenade</span>.

Submitted: Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 19:40
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Hi All,

Firstly just let me say that if you own a D4D diesel there is NO low oil shut down unlike diesels of old. You'd think with all the sensors and cr@p attached something would tell the computer to shut it down.
How do I know? I blew mine up this morning when the o ring on the oil filter split and pumped the sump dry. I didn't see the light hidden behind the steering wheel. After only 5-7 secs of knocking the damage was done.
But technically that doesn't make it a grenade.

There are cases of BEB failures and we have had 2 others sieze up in the last 2 weeks whilst driving.
They were caused by the seals in the turbo failing catastrophicaly. This sent oil into the inlet manifold causing the engine to rev severely, this sucked in so much more oil that the engines hydraulic locked at 4000rpm...ouch. One only has 80,000km on it.

There is evidence that the oil galleries on no1 cyl also become blocked causing the piston to seize. I know of one fella that had the engine rebuilt after this happened only to have it happen again 5000km later for the same reason (they mustn't have got all the sludge out).

Who'd have thought that Nissan were pioneers in something that Toyota would follow

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Dave
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Reply By: get outmore - Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 19:45

Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 19:45
sorry to hear that

how long since it was serviced? was it serviced at a toyota dealer?

toyota services come with a 6 month warranty on the service. In that case there would be no question to engine is covered due to a faulty service/parts
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Follow Up By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 20:21

Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 20:21
I was done less than 500km ago in house at work...someones in the poo
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Follow Up By: stevieaus - Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:07

Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 11:07
Toyota parts have a 12 month warranty, they will only pay for a faulty part and not any other damaged components (not without a massive fight anyway). They will not pay for any labour either if the work was not originally done at a Toyota dealership.
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 21:55

Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 21:55
my ex got her 40k service done at a toyo dealer (includes wheel bearings)

and her next service was at karratha toyota and they found the bearing nuts had been munted they replaced them and spent a fair bit of labor

she went back to KALAMUNDA TOYOTA and as you say they initially tried to deny everything but the service book doesnt lie and it had only ever had toyota servicing

I told them i couldnt give a crap if they dont want to take responsability but the fact it had only ever had toyota services means the repairs had to be reimbursed

funniest thing was he whinged about the high labour charge and the ex shot back, " thats what we get charged by you shame eh"

it was maybe $150 i would expect significantally more obstacles on trying to claim a 12k motor
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Reply By: Stu-e - Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 21:39

Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 21:39
wouldnt quite say they are a grenade, but D4D covers alot of toyotas, ie all the new landcruser V8 Diesels, hiace vans and hilux diesels this is just the engine management system, dont think they are any more unreliable than any other vehicle, when you have fleet vehicles generally 'Boneheads" (operators) will do anything to kill them.
i havent struck any low oil shutdown systems factory fitted on light vehicles, generally these only consist of a warning light. the only derate/shutdown systems that i have come across that are factory fitted are cummins, cat, detroit diesel.
we fit engine monitoring systems on underground vehicles, these monitor oil press engine temp and coolant level and are fail safe ie: wire comes off the alarm activates, we also fit a buzzer loud enough so the boneheads wont put up with it (the noise).
toyotas in general are regarded as one of the better vehicle manufacturers in mining as most companys wont buy anything else there simplicity and reliability make them one of the better vehicles available.
i can tell you storys of komatsu and cat's having major component failures within 20 hours of being on site.
regualr servicing and preventative maintance by pople who know what they are doing can go along way to keep a vehicle going longer.
sorry to hear of your losses, but dont bag them that quickly
Cheers Stu
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 05:59

Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 05:59
Stu,
the old 2h Toyota motors had engine shutdown when oil pressure was low.

I agree that engine failures can occur in all brands, have just done 2 cat engines at work + at the last count 4 V8 Toyota engines, the V8 Tojo engines also have rev limiting on them, 3000 revs max. Funny never lost a 1HZ at all except for the 2 that were drowned.

Have a good one
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Follow Up By: Stu-e - Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 09:54

Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 09:54
no worries seeems im not old enough to have worked on them sweeto, yeah the 1hz's just kept on going
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Follow Up By: StormyKnight - Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:11

Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:11
Hey my first 4WD had a 2H & I'm not that old....:)
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Follow Up By: Member - Scott M (NSW) - Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 17:07

Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 17:07
Hey - my current one has a 2H..... !
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 23:24

Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 23:24
hey rockape

the low oil pressure shutdown on the 2h had 0 to do with engine protection in the case of low oil but was a safety feature due to the the 2h being able to run backwards which was the subject of a mines dpt alert (no oil pressure when the donk runs backwards so it shuts down)

the rotary pump on a 1hz onwards cant do that so the feature was no longer needed (apparantly)
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Reply By: Member - mazcan - Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 22:23

Thursday, Aug 19, 2010 at 22:23
hi tourboy
in general terms if an oil filter is fitted without placing a smear of oil on the oring and it is over tightened the dry oring will tear in half particulary if it is over tightened

whats happened to yours sounds very familar
in-experience people have a habbit of doing them up until they wont turn any more
that method will fail just about every time
even small generators eg honda /etc have oil shut down pressure switches

so i like you cant understand why modern vehicles dont have them too

maybe they prefer them to self destruct it helps keep the motor industry ticking over??????
sorry to hear of the bad run your having
looks like there may be some butt kicking to do
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Follow Up By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 09:01

Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 09:01
Was a genuine filter that has grease on the o ring and it split along the o ring not across it...never seen that happen before.

The mechanic is a heavy vehicle specialist with 30 odd years exp and a former truckie.

The old H and 2H engines had the shut down.

The other problem is the steering wheel blocked the light so if it came on I couldn't see it. Maybe if they hooked the water in fuel buzzer to the oil light these things wouldn't happen.
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 23:28

Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 23:28
damn boofheads ive only ever put and taken off an oil filter by hand same as diff and g box/tc nuts

but evry time i get a nerw vehicle the oil filter and all service nuts are done up to 10000000000000 f/lb tourque
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:45

Friday, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:45
Probably a long way from a grenade just yet Dave - but the new ( revised) D4D should solve some problems.

In my recent test drive the engine hunted down low and vibrated a lot around 1800rpm and really put one off a car I was hoping to like.

It will probably be some time before we get to try the revised Euro5 engine but its reasonable to expect it will have a number of issues addressed but I guess that won't help your immediate problem - all the best with it.
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Reply By: olcoolone - Saturday, Aug 21, 2010 at 17:58

Saturday, Aug 21, 2010 at 17:58
Is this a case of "blame someone else for my mistake"?

The someone else happened to be Toyota for not having any forsight that someone may damage a seal and overlook the warning light!

On the New Hilux Forum I have only heard of 1 definite and 2 maybe D4D's being destroyed, not bad for an engine that has been around since 1999.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Saturday, Aug 21, 2010 at 19:10

Saturday, Aug 21, 2010 at 19:10
Still,
not everyone reads that forum and we do have 3 that are destroyed out of a fleet of about 25.

Glad I'm not paying for it.

I wonder if they will have the same inlet manifold blockages that the tritons suffer badly from. The mechanics at work are aware of that and are waiting for the 1st of our tritons to come in all clagged up.

It's a shame that all the manufactures build quality has slipped backwards.
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