<span class="highlight">Solar</span> <span class="highlight">Panel</span> Wiring Help
Submitted: Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 18:31
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Member - Aaron L (NSW)
Hi All you 12V wiring gurus. Situation.
I have purchased a Rich
Solar 120w Folding
Solar Panel. Came with regulator and cabling which is not connected to the
Solar Panel. Each 60W side of the
solar has a + & - wire.
There are some what look like adapters in the kit (which I think are suppose to be used to join both side of the
panel to the Regulator) but I cant work them out. The are labelled + - but the connectors dont seem to match ie only + will connect to the -
Additional the output side of the regulator has 2 lots of + & - Aligator clips, surely I dont need to connect both + & - 's to my battery.
Anyway hope some of that makes sense.... This is my first 12V Wiring mini proj, essentially I want it to be simple in connecting the
panel to Battery via regulator.
All help appreciated. See photos below for reference to what im talking about?
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Reply By: Member - Aaron L (NSW) - Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 18:54
Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 18:54
OK Folks, After a calm cup of tea I have tackled this again and went over it logically in my head and I was disturbed to find the Following, The Wiring for the regulator connection to the
panel is back to from. Take a close look at the photo below, you will see the Negative Wire connected to the positive side of the regulator and vice versa. I will reverse this and magically the connectors/adapters will fit. My other questions still stand about the 2 sets of Aligators etc....
Out of curiosity what would of happened if I connected it the way it came????
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Pic of incorrect wiring...
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cheers Aaron
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Follow Up By: Jumankum - Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 19:12
Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 19:12
I think it was correct initially. They are usually labled for current flow ie You connect positive to negative.
Check with multimeter at the point where the leads enter the reg. Even though the lead may be labled negative ensure that the positive is connected to positive terminal
One set of clips connect to your battery (battery symbol on controller) the other set connect to load, fridge lights etc
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Follow Up By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 19:18
Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 19:18
They way I read your controller is this.
The picture showing the regulator connected to the panels is straight foward....that is
Solar Panel + to
solar regulator + (if the pair of panels are not wired together then they must be wired together in parallel.......that is +
solar panel to +
solar panel and then to +
panel on the regulator......this maintains 12V
DO NOT JOIN the + to - as you will get a series connection of 24V
The middle diagram on the regulator is straight foward + and - to the battery
It appears to me that the third picture on the regulator is depecting a load device....that is whatever accessory you are using is powered from the battery (via the regulator).....in other words connect the accessory to these terminals
if that is the case then perhaps the regulator has a low voltage cut out to protect the battery or at the least is acting as a voltage stabiliser to mantian a steady 12v approx......whilst the battery is on charge
others may have a different interpretation.but I am quite positive from what I have observed from your picture
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Follow Up By: Member - Aaron L (NSW) - Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 19:52
Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 19:52
Ok Now from reading some Wiring for "beginners" stuff on the Net I found this:
http://partsonsale.com/learnwiring.htm
Series wiring / Parallel wiring
And a combination of the two known simply as series/parallel wiring.
In any DC generating device such as a battery or
solar module, you will always have a negative (-) terminal and a positive (+). Electrons or (current) flows from the negative terminal through a load to the positive terminal.
To wire any device in series you must connect the positive terminal of one device to the negative terminal of the next device
SO do I connect the (+) cable from the
Solar Panel to the (-) side of the controller???? Can anyone confirm this please???
cheers AAron
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Follow Up By: Jumankum - Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 19:57
Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 19:57
Those T connectors will be labled with positive on one side and negative on the other side hence connecting positive to the negative
1, Take the negatively labled cables from both panels and plug them into the corrisponding T connector
2, Take whichever lead plugs into the other side of the T connector and connect to your reg negative terminal
3, Take the positively labled cables from both panels and plug them into the corrisponding T connector
4, Take whichever lead plugs into the other side of the T connector and connect to your reg negative terminal
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Follow Up By: Jumankum - Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 20:02
Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 20:02
SO do I connect the (+) cable from the
Solar Panel to the (-) side of the controller???? Can anyone confirm this please???
cheers AAron
No Mate, connect
panel positive to positive
Best bet is to connect the panels together then
check which is positive and which is negative coming from the t connectors and connect to reg accordingly
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Follow Up By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 20:04
Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 20:04
+ to + etc is parrell connecting......that is maintaining 12volt (just like jump starting a flat battery on your car)
+ to + to + is parallel connecting that is still 12 Volt
+ to - is series connecting ..that is 24 volt
+ to - to + is series connecting that is 36 volt
and so on
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Follow Up By: Member - Aaron L (NSW) - Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 20:08
Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 20:08
Ok using the connectors I have joined Both Negatives from each
panel together, then using second connector I have joined Both Positives from each
Panel together.
Now I have 1 positive and 1 negative cable which needs to be connected to the controller. SO i wire them positive to Postive and Negative to Negative - RIGHT????
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Follow Up By: Jumankum - Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 20:10
Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 20:10
Those MC4 connectors can be confusing because they are labeled positive one side, negative the other hence connecting positive plug to negative socket yet you are still connecting positive to positive or negative to negative ie they are labled for current flow
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Follow Up By: Jumankum - Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 20:11
Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 20:11
You got it man!!!
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Reply By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 19:29
Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 19:29
They way I read your controller is this.
The picture showing the regulator connected to the panels is straight foward....that is
Solar Panel + to
solar regulator + (if the pair of panels are not wired together then they must be wired together in parallel.......that is +
solar panel to +
solar panel and then to +
panel on the regulator......this maintains 12V
DO NOT JOIN the + to - as you will get a series connection of 24V
The middle diagram on the regulator is straight foward + and - to the battery
It appears to me that the third picture on the regulator is depecting a load device....that is whatever accessory you are using is powered from the battery (via the regulator).....in other words connect the accessory to these terminals
if that is the case then perhaps the regulator has a low voltage cut out to protect the battery or at the least is acting as a voltage stabiliser to mantian a steady 12v approx......whilst the battery is on charge
others may have a different interpretation.but I am quite positive from what I have observed from your picture
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Follow Up By: Member - Aaron L (NSW) - Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 19:42
Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 19:42
G'day thanks for the reply, once I have connected the adapters to Join both sides of the folding
Panel. I can then only connect Positive side from the
Solar Panel to the negative side on the controller. IS this right, sounds wrong, Ive never connected to positive to negative before in anything ive done.
Im not sure if I have it right or wrong.
Some instructions with it would of been handy lol!!!! Bloody Ebay.
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Follow Up By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 19:59
Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 19:59
I think you should ignore the connectors and follow the simple steps of maintaining the integrity of the system....that is a parrallell connection of 12v
+
panel to +
panel then join to +
panel on the regulator
same above for the -
Battery + to regulator +
same for battery negative
as an assurance put a multimeter on the battery terminals...may show as high as 13+ v perhaps depending on the state of charge of the battery and if it is receiving charge from the panels
put a multimeter on what I deem to be the load outputs on the regulator.....should get around the 12v
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Follow Up By: Member - Aaron L (NSW) - Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 20:20
Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 20:20
Ok using the connectors I have joined Both Negatives from each
panel together, then using second connector I have joined Both Positives from each
Panel together.
Now I have 1 positive and 1 negative cable which needs to be connected to the controller. SO i wire them positive to Postive and Negative to Negative - RIGHT????
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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 21:16
Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 21:16
Aaron,
Google is your friend! Do a search on "CMP12
solar regulator". Lots of hits. The first link I opened was
this one. It shows a diagram with connections just as suggested above -
Tie the 2
panel's positives together. Tie their 2 negatives together. Now regard them as a single
panel. Connect the
panel positive to the controller positive. Connect the
panel negative to the controller negative.
The battery positive goes to the positive battery terminal on the controller. Battery negative to the negative battery terminal on the controller.
Your loads may be connected to the positive and negative load terminals on the controller. Personally I'd ignore those load terminals and connect the load direct to the battery (with a fuse (say 30A) close to the battery of course.)
Good luck!
John | J and V
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Follow Up By: Member - Aaron L (NSW) - Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 21:30
Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 21:30
G'day
John,
well after lots of reading and help here, I have got it wired up correctly. I will
test if though tomorrow with a multimetre to make doublely sure. I will also installed a fuse link to the battery. I have disconnected the load terminal Aligator clips, dont think I'd use them as you suggest connect load to battery. thanks Again, it was a good exercise as my first 12v wiring experience lol
cheers Aaron
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Reply By: Mandrake's Solar Power- Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 22:14
Friday, Nov 05, 2010 at 22:14
Aaron ,
Rich
Solar was one of my suppliers for
Solar Panels early in the piece ..
Be careful with that controller - The CMP12 comes in two versions a 6Amp and the 12 Amp ..
I think there is a label on the back that shows the rating ... The 6 Amp will only just be big enough and on a
bright sunny day may in fact be too small and switch off !! ..The 12 Amp will be no problem at all.
Strange that they are using those waterproof connectors for their kits - normally would only see them on the panels for rooftop installations. Still got the springy steel cable too ...
Check the open circuit voltage on each
panel to see if they show 21-22 Volts not 15 ... Some of these kits have low voltage panels and should be hooked up in series not parallel .. They are a first class
panel ..
Cheers
Steve
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Follow Up By: Member - Aaron L (NSW) - Saturday, Nov 06, 2010 at 07:15
Saturday, Nov 06, 2010 at 07:15
G'day Steve, I have checked the controller this morning, it is a 12amp unit so thats a releif :) Yes the cable is springy, but it is springy from the
Panel to the controller but the cables from controller to Battery Allligator clips isnt to bad reasonably flexible. I used the multimetre this morning to
check my wiring etc and yep the open circuit voltage is 22V.
I would also like to thank everybody that contributed advice and helped me get this connected correctly, I was worried at first. Terrific resource this
forum is. Thankyou.
cheers Aaron
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