<span class="highlight">Webasto</span> EFOY Fuel Cell for campimg
Submitted: Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 22:34
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Flynnie
Anyone had a chance to use one of these? Any
feedback or impressions?
While googling for something else I came across these fuel cells that put out 12 volts and are marketed for motor homes and camper vans. Perhaps the shape of things to come. No noisy generator and produce electricity around the clock. Seem expensive now but in a few years? May not be in Australia yet.
Webasto EFOY Fuel Cell
Flynnie
Reply By: Allan B, Sunshine Coast, - Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 22:53
Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 22:53
Yes Flynnie, I have dreamed about fuel cells in the past and your link was interesting. I don't know pricing but I'm sure it is not exactly cheap.
My fridge, and one or two other things could be sustained with a unit producing some 0.6 kwh per day..... not a lot.
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Reply By: Member - Porl - Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 23:00
Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 23:00
There was an actual
test by a camper I read some time ago, the only issue was draining the water, that is you don't want it going on inside your 4WD but at that price I wouldn't want it outside my 4WD.
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Reply By: Allan B, Sunshine Coast, - Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 23:09
Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 23:09
Flynnie, the EFOY fuel cell appears to be marketed in Australia but I cannot find any current pricing online. Anybody got a clue?
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Follow Up By: Member - Peter W (WA) - Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 23:18
Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 23:18
Allan
In the December issue of 4 x 4 Australia in the generator comparison they list the Evoy 1600w-hrs fuel cell at $6600 & the 2200w-hrs at $8400.
Peter
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Follow Up By: Flynnie - Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 23:21
Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 23:21
There were references on the web to about $6,000. It all seemed a bit speculative and no one I could find had actually used one.
I have looked up the specs and they look good but question is really about how have they worked in practise.
It would seem the alcohol is supplied to some grade or other of purity, meaning expensive.
I thought some traveller may have dabbled with one, perhaps while overseas.
Flynnie
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Follow Up By: Allan B, Sunshine Coast, - Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 23:25
Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 23:25
Ouch!, Thanks Peter. But not as bad as a couple of years ago when some maybe cruder ones were about $20,000. Think I'll still save for my diff-lock!
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Follow Up By: Flynnie - Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 23:26
Monday, Nov 29, 2010 at 23:26
Peter
Thanks for the tip about 4x4 Australia. Must visit the newsagent tomorrow.
Disclaimer - this thread was not posted to promote sales of magazines. Just coincidence.
Flynnie
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Follow Up By: Ozhumvee - Tuesday, Nov 30, 2010 at 07:01
Tuesday, Nov 30, 2010 at 07:01
Unless my calcs are off it will use just over 9 litres a day to provide the 130 ah at 70mls per ah which at $60 for 10L of fuel is pretty expensive operating costs.
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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Tuesday, Nov 30, 2010 at 07:23
Tuesday, Nov 30, 2010 at 07:23
The Kimberly Karavan has a fuel cell,
check out their website.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 30, 2010 at 08:33
Tuesday, Nov 30, 2010 at 08:33
Peter,
Your calcs are correct, however i believe the numbers provided on eco-camper may be incorrect ;) The
Webasto website mentions 0.9L/kWh which equates to 1.44L for the 1600Wh :) Seems more reasonable.
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Member - John R (cQld) - Tuesday, Nov 30, 2010 at 09:44
Tuesday, Nov 30, 2010 at 09:44
Andrew, your figure would be consistent with a consumption of 70 mL/hr (rather than 70 mL/Ahr).
Unfortunately fuel cells are never likely to be cheap while expensive platinum or palladium catalysts are used.
Cheers,
John
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Follow Up By: Member - mazcan - Tuesday, Nov 30, 2010 at 13:04
Tuesday, Nov 30, 2010 at 13:04
hi
yes i did come across these when i was googling something else 18 months agobut could'nt find out at that stage what they operated on and was concerned it may have been urainium but thats not the case as its methanol
but the price at the time was many thousands so quickly lost interest
they have certainly come down a bit
but am prepared to still keep waiting
like everything thats new
it will eventually come down to a more realistic level
cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Christopher P (NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 30, 2010 at 20:50
Tuesday, Nov 30, 2010 at 20:50
i'll be buying one, saves going out to the
state forest and running a vehicle / generator. menthanols cheap enough, in coming years it will get cheaper!!!!
Don't look at present, look at future!!!
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Reply By: Member - Porl - Tuesday, Nov 30, 2010 at 19:59
Tuesday, Nov 30, 2010 at 19:59
I think you can fly to Germany where they are made, buy one from a local camping
shop, get a flight back to Australia, and have a grand or so grand change from $6k.
the only issue is if something goes wrong, I doubt an Australia supplier that missed out on the profit margin will spend much time on the call.
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Reply By: Member - Joe T (NT) - Tuesday, Nov 30, 2010 at 21:31
Tuesday, Nov 30, 2010 at 21:31
This is what you need, made in OZ;
www.cfcl.com.au/BlueGen/
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