too expensive and regulated

I realise Moreton Island is a National Park, it didn't used to be all National Park as most of it is now. I appreciate that however I do believe people and dogs also have rights as well as wildlife and that having a section for dogs should not be out of the equation. We did hire a house at Cowen and at a pinch we could have had our dog there. It gets costly though with house hire and barge fees. I felt for the people who owned the house who were really lovely and had spent $20,000 + to put solar on their house and have trouble renting it out even at peak times because it's too expensive to get there!
I too in the olden days was treated like an escaped convict when I one arrived with my dog on the barge by newly commissioned rangers but in those days I knew where I was allowed to be (on commonwealth land at Nth Point near the lighthouse) so they couldn't do anything) all different now of course.
I do get your point that $200 is one way to keep out the yobbo's at Cooloola and it is one way, but wow it has forced exess masses onto Inskip. I'm debating if I will ever return there again.
Regards
Ros
ps I think Ive hear the budgie story it is famous at Moreton!

Well Dazza, a budgie eh.
How does it feel to be an environmental terrorist bringing a domestic pet into a national park. Do you not realise the threat that bird could pose if it were to escape into the wild. It could breed like a budgie & grow in numbers so big it could cause shadows on the ground.
Hang on, aren't budgies a native species.
Lucky you didn't get pinched for not having a permit to keep the little bloke.

Nah! from memory it couldn't escape it had it's wings clipped.

So he lost his chance to terrorise the planet.

bahahahahahahaha

he didnt lose his chance, it was taken from him. Although I bet he's gald he's had the eqivelant of his legs cut off so he can be someone's toy for the rest of his life. Each to their own though.

Goes to show the training and education quality of some Rangers , Budgerigars are NATIVE to Australia ,out here at certain times of the year we have flocks of thousands , and if the silly b####r had a look they are also indigenous to the island , have seen flocks of hundreds on Moreton.

Yes Penchy the poor bugger used to climb in and out of the cage and could fly short distances with a bit of effort.

We had him for about 7 years, not bad for a budgie.

The wife claimed him after a neighbour lost interest in it.

Maybe she should have but it down the toilet rather than care for it.

It's not as though we went out bush and trapped it, it was reared in captivity it didn't know any other way of life.

Blame was not my intention in this thread.
I don't believe in the attitude "I'll go where I bloodly well want". But I do feel we need more spots where we can have campfires our dogs, and affordability.
Regards
Ros

Not blaming anyone..... people like you do the right thing but it's the other who don't.

Anywhere you go where you can have camp fires, your dog and is affordable is the place everyone else also likes to go...... go somewhere where you can have a camp fire, no dogs and unaffordable and your bound to have a good time as all the others who want to take there dog and camp cheaply will not be around.

Camped at Sheep Yard Flat last xmas and it's a lovely place with really good camp grounds but what made it not so good was the group of 30 teens partying hard and people with chain saws cutting fire wood at 8.30pm and not forgetting the cars.... it was like being at closing time at the drive in except it was all day.

As I said you do the right thing but many don't...... it's a fact of life.

IT's like using quality and cheap in the same sentence except in this case it's good and free...... these words should never be used together as for most cases it ends in tears.

I have to agree whole heartedly with Hairy. All of us need a place to go camping. Even the yobbos. It is just they are closing down so many places that have been used for camping for years - some 50 plus years with little to no issue. People are being pushed in together and that is causing the problem.

My beef is Lancelin just north of Perth. It has been a mecca for many to camp in the bush and dunes north of Lancelin. Now it is all closed off. I may not camp there much any more but I do know it was a yobbo paradise but now they are not allowed there so they will come looking elsewhere. There was so much room in the dunes everyone could camp and not be in others way.

I believe the voice of the people needs to get louder.

In the 70's I was one of those yobbos.
In the 60's my older brothers were those yobbos.
I wouldn't be surprised if my father was one of those yobbos before WW2
There have been drunk & noisy people since god gave mankind alcohol.
Also, I never paid any fees to camp what so ever until the late 80's.
My oldest brother never paid a fee to camp until the last few years.
I agree with you Serendipity & Hairy that we are being squeezed together by these bureaucrats who came out of the inner suburbs of major cities & don't understand the tradition of white fellas in this country.
When there were 10 million people & 20 million places to camp there was no problem. Now the extremists who have no historical or traditional values that think that everybody should pay for everything are getting are taking control we have had our camping sites reduced dramatically & we are being jammed in together.
One example.
Quite some years back wev were camped for a week at a popular spot on the Mitchell near Mt Carbine. We were into quads & motorbikes & we were there for the riding & camping. Some bloke & his family came along & went to set up near us. So I thought I would send the kids out on their quads & bikes to kick up as much dust as they could, just to let this bloke know what he was in for.
Fortunately for him he saw what he was in for if he camped near us & promptly put the family back in the car & went & found a spot where the neighbours would be more to his liking.
Had anyone have been in the spot where we were in when we arrived we would have moved on as well & found another place where we could make our noise & not have to worry about upsetting anyone else.
That's the way it used to be.
Well now it is not. That entire cattle station, of a few hundred square miles & 40 km of river front on 2 banks, is a wildlife refuge & the public are no longer allowed any access. Not even for the quiet bloke with his young family.
The same thing has happened to all you blokes that complain about yobbos.
Us yobbos, which includes all of you at some stage of your hypocritical life, used to have a place to go & have fun without putting up with us quiet campers, but they took it away & made everyone camp together.
That's my 2 bobs worth.

Fatso, thank you for yor contribution. If you care to read it again, s l o w l y, you wil understand why the restrictions are applied. Thank you very much.

Hey Fatso,

No wonder there is a need to put all the yobbos like you all in one place and leave the bush to the rest of use in peace and for the wildlife and their refuge kept away from quad bikes and idiots.

It is people exactly like you that give campers a bad name and have places like this cattle station close the gates and now everyone that ever went there suffers the loss.

That's my 2 bob as well.

hahaha "Yobbos" I reckon are = good ozzie blokes who would go the extra mile to help you if you were in trouble. Anyway, at the end of the day we need more space and affordable places to camp. The control imposed is excessive and getting worse. You watch in years to come people won't be allowed in vehicles into national parks we will have to pay for tours. I was once involved with The Outdoor Recreation Party in Sydney and we managed to get one voice in the wilderness into parliament to air our views. More political influence is needed or we will continue to be told what to do.

I know where you are coming from with the greeny thing, wanting to cut the Australian tax payer out of his own Australian owned land.

Back to the Inskip and yobbos, there was a big blue in the camping grounds a few years ago, people got sick of the yobbos and it boiled over. Now a lot of quite holiday people that had gone there for years never came back. EPA cut the numbers but IMO it needs more trimming.

Fatso, you are a "good ozzie bloke who would go the extra mile to help"? And you sent your kids out on the quads and noisey motor bikes. One statment is wrong. Are you a nice person who thinks of others or just another derilect rectum?
Methinks the latter andTHAT is why certain properties are closed to all. ThiMk about it.

I'll take it on the chin fellas & admit that I failed English in senior & may not have expressed myself well enough to people who have limited life experiences.
I will try again in a way the inexperienced may understand.
ONCE UPON A TIME, when you went camping, if you were noisy, you could camp alone where you never had to worry about annoying anybody. That's what we did when I was a yobbo quad rider.
If you were looking for quiet, peace & solitude there were actually enough places to camp that you could just look around & find one. When we wanted peace & quiet & solitude we went & found a spot away from yobbos.
There used to be plenty of room for everyone.
Now there is not & you are jammed in beside the yobbo who would probably also preffer to be elsewhere.
Some of you blokes are very quick to pass judgement on me from few a poorley written lines.
You don't even know me, or the area I was talking about.
If you met me you would probably find me to be quite an interesting bloke & I would undoubtedly leave a positive impression.

Fatso

Thank you Fatso. Had you said that before you would have been received with acclaimation. But you did not. We all know about the undisirables and my personal preference is, or actually was, is to bush camp away from everone so "yobbos" as you term them never interferred with me. One day a week I used to go to either a caravan park or a motel for a clean up and shower so I never had trouble with dead-beats.
Enjoy your trips. At almost 80 years of age they are now a thing of the past for me. I just read every post here every day. It brings back fond memories of places & people.
Happy travelling
Brian

Well done Brian,

Would have been a bit on the nose after a week.

Kind Regards
Bernie

:-)

sorry to hear that you could have out run the ranger, they don't have powers of arrest.

once you get over 60 it's hard to outrun anything!!! and he was in a car!!!

G'day Mike
Actually, when I was in Paris I noticed that nobody batted an eye about dogs crapping in the street, right outside the bistros. Nobody bothered to pick up after them either. Different culture.

In a nutshell, too many people? Couldn't agree more and would add, "with vastly greater mobility and thus access to more places more often". Different problem.

For other contributors.....Personally, I hate it as much as anyone but I don't know what else to do in response to access pressure other than to manage access (restrict, contain, price). If you were the said "bureaucrat" what the hell else would you try to manage? Population? Vehicle and recreational equipment sales? Manners? Answers please.

I could tell you a long story that perfectly illustrates the problem. It's about a place on the north coast of NSW I've visited in the 70s, 80s, 90s and noughties. Shortly told, it went from being almost pristine "private" beach/coastal forest to a soulless sprawling camping ground, behind a beach now comparatively denuded of fish and cruised endlessly by 4WDs. Before that you had to walk. (And yes, I love my Troopie).

What happens with too many dogs happens with too many people when they don't all act nice and clean up after themselves. And for the yobbos, whose empty bourbon and coke cans, half melted stubbies left in oversized, half burned fires located at water's edge are those? Just some great guys having fun huh? Same bleep, same results.

Cheers
Mark

exactly