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Insurance study into 4wd crashes in NSW - a win

Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 06:50

Member - bushfix


for those in NSW, wrt green slip increases....

SMH story

although they omitted roll-overs.....
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AnswerID: 192082   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 07:36

Footloose replied:

Some good news at last. NOW where's scooby doo ? No press releases today ?
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FollowupID: 449972   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 10:03

Member - Roachie (SA) posted:

Harold bloody Scumbag is probably cowering in his little hole, waiting for the next unfortunate incident which _does_ actually involve a 4x4. At this time he will spring back into life with his usual boring tirade of abuse; conveniently forgetting to omit all the other poor unfortunate victims who will have been killed or mamed by a "normal" car in the meantime.


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FollowupID: 449974   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 10:12

Footloose posted:

I'm just surprised that the guy hasn't ended up as a mascot on someone's bullbar :))
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FollowupID: 450081   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:56

Member - Doug T (W.A) posted:

Helll no Footsy we can't have that , that would really get him fired up

Footloose posted this followup
I'm just surprised that the guy hasn't ended up as a mascot on someone's bullbar :))
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AnswerID: 192083   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 07:40

Rigor replied:

Interesting at the start of the story it is claimed that 4WDs inflicked no more serious injuries than other vehicles and Dr.Newstead say's they are twice as likely to cause serious injury !!!. In my mind this proves that people develop a prejustice and then look only for stats or info to support that prejustice , Scuby is a classic example , he has a personal vendetta against 4WDs and only looks for data to support his views and ignores all other. Fairness and common sense has nothing to do with their quest.

Cheers Dave L
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FollowupID: 449976   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 10:28

Member - Mike DID posted:

The initiative which caused a parliamentary committee to consider charging more for 4WD Greenslips came from Bicycle NSW.

Amazingly the Government decided not to charge more, based on facts, rather than pressure from a lobby groups.
Mike R
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AnswerID: 192090   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 07:59

bigcol replied:

Well if you guys don't like him , you know what to do at the next election
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FollowupID: 449950   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 08:16

Member - Ian W (NSW) posted:

Srcuby is not an elected representative but rather a self appointed talking head.

Because he is good at manipulating press coverage to his own ends many have been led to be he has some official capacity.

It's quite easy to do actually, just create a fancy name such as "The Pedestrian Council Of N.S.W. Incorporated". Then you control who you allow to "join", this enables you to keep a stranglehold on policy and keeps you in sole charge.

Has anyone ever seen or heard any other spokesperson for the Pedestrian Council other than friend Harold?>>>>>>>>>>>No, thought not.

Scruby has visited my place of work for which we have provided a parking space for his car. Maybe it's for other people to bicycle, use public transport or walk.

Yeah that must be it! . If all you plebs ride, walk or use public transport there will no traffic congestion to inconvenience Harold.

Ian
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FollowupID: 449968   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 09:52

Des Lexic posted:

Ian, here's a challange for you. Apply to join the Pedestrian Council of NSW.
At last count, I think their membership totalled 1
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FollowupID: 449983   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 11:12

Member - Ian W (NSW) posted:

Your spot on Des,

Was a post here quite some time ago from someone who attempted yo join up with Harold Boy, if I remeber correctly there was a detailed application form that even required you to detail the vehicles you owned.

To be expected really, how can you control your organisation if you have open enrolments?

The guy is just on an ego trip. The sad part is the amount of misinformation he plants in the public arena

Ian
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FollowupID: 450078   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:47

Max - Sydney posted:

Looking at his web site (see link in post 11) he doesn't ask for that any more - just your credit card number. Or is the questionnaire in the next stage of enrolment?
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FollowupID: 450180   Submitted: Saturday, Sep 02, 2006 at 15:35

Member - Ian W (NSW) posted:

No idea Max, as mentioned above there was a lengthy post on the Forum quite some time ago from a member who went through the motions of joining and got a thorough third degree. It would appear that Harold is wary of any of those "4wd killing machine" owners infiltrating his site.

I won't touch Harold's Internet site, I don't wish to contribute to any "hit or visitor" statistics and so enable him to make claims of "public concern".

Where possible I try not to mention the "SCR**) word as well, no point in allowing him, or anyone else for that matter Google his name and again use the statistic for their own purpose.

Ian
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AnswerID: 192092   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 08:02

traveller2 replied:

Scuby doo was on the news saying that the stats were wrong as they lumped AWD's in with big 4wd's.
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FollowupID: 449964   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 09:20

Sand Man (SA) posted:


That's because HE drives an AWD. (Suburu Forrester)

He's just trying to justify his own choice of transport whilst at the same time "distance" himself from all "us" 4WD scum.

What an absolute toilet-head he is.

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AnswerID: 192121   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 10:21

Max - Sydney replied:

What I like is the twist from some Melbourne expert that despite 4WDs being much more dangerous they are driven by "older males" who are safer drivers!

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AnswerID: 192128   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 10:37

Member - Mike DID replied:

The SMH headline reads "Safe as cars" - then in the first pragraph "they caused fewer crashes than cars " - then in the third pragraph "They inflict less expensive damage in city crashes,"
- I suppose they have to keep the bulk of their readers happy !

When people want to argue that no-one needs a 4WD in a city and that their main use is to drop off the kids at school they call them "mums taxi". When a researcher wants to "caution against interpreting the study's results as a safety tick for 4WDs." he explains "Their drivers were more likely to be older men".
Mike R
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AnswerID: 192138   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 10:57

Flash replied:

As far as Richard Cranium Scroowby is concerned, it's the old story.

There's Lies.
There's Damned Lies.
....And then there's Statistics.
You can make them "prove" almost anything.
Cheers all!
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AnswerID: 192141   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 11:00

Graham56 replied:

My question is, where was old Scruby when the elderly gent crossing the road at a crossing, was hit by a cyclist and died later in hospital here in Melbourne, during the Hell Ride??(may the old Fella rest peace)

Probablely not enough mileage in it for him. If it was a 4wd he'd be on it like ants on a picnic.

Graham
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FollowupID: 450010   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 13:24

HJ60-2H posted:

How did you get away woth saying that? Last time I made that sort or femark about Scrubby someone on this forum pinged me for it. 'mazing what soem peopel cna get away with!!
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AnswerID: 192151   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 11:20

Truckster (Vic) replied:

HAVE YOUR SAY

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FollowupID: 450037   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 15:11

Darren C posted:

just did - would be good to get some sort of coordinated effort going on these blogs as and when they come up - if 20 or 30 people from this site could chip in with a posting it may help 'spread the word' that we aint all that bad at driving........and temper some of the overall animosity thats being generated by the media.....above all its free publicity....
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AnswerID: 192194   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 15:10

Richard W (NSW) replied:

Here's the link to the full report:
link text
It's a PDF called: Review of CTP claims experience of 4WDs

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AnswerID: 192209   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 16:26

Turist (The Original One) replied:



Why don't you give the poor bloke a hand.

Ha ha ha

Promise you won't all rush in at once, hate to see the site swamped.

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

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FollowupID: 450076   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:44

Max - Sydney posted:

I see he has got 8 directors and two patrons and a charter, and honorary auditors and honorary solicitors.

Funny though - the charter never mentions discrimination against people who drive vehicles of specific types. Perhaps we could keep the honorary solicitors busy with a class action citing systematic discrimination by selective reporting of information! Not.

:-))
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FollowupID: 450083   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 18:01

Muddy doe (SA) posted:

Once again I am amazed by what can be done by "One man and a fax machine" when it comes to a guy like Scruby.

He probably does do some good work with his PCA in terms of better footpaths and pedestrian access to areas and so-on but the vitriolic manner in which he pushes his personal vandetta against 4WD vehicles just beggers belief.

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AnswerID: 192266   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 20:46

Member - Mike DID replied:

We need to stop being defensive.

The Greenslip insurance cost is based on category of driver and category of vehicle. The aim of this study was to justify getting more revenue from 4WD owners.

As it turns out, the government report has produced facts that show clearly that "cost per vehicle for 4WDs is not higher than the cost per vehicle for other passenger vehicles".

So the government couldn't justify charging us MORE.

But why should we be subsidising the more dangerous drivers in passenger cars ????

We need a new vehicle class for 4WDs - where we pay LESS.
Mike R
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