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Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 16:49

Footloose

I'm curious. How many K's has your seriously experienced diesel 4wd got on it ? At what point do we say "well it's still working well, but I wouldn't take it into remote areas. Obviously the answer will depend on how its been maintained etc but.....
All right I'll take a wild guess to stir the possum.
Diesel...around 300-350K?
Petrol....around 250K ?
Note: I know that you can run these vehicles with much more on them, but at what point does one stop taking it into the bush alone ?
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AnswerID: 192215   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 16:59

Member - Roachie (SA) replied:

With a diesel (old technology), there really is no cut-off point.......Even Pesty's old 60 series has done over 500,000klm (2nd motor) and it manages to get a lot of the places a similar aged Nissan will get to.

My GU has 200,000klm on the clock and I consider it to be almost in the prime of it's life........that should arrive in another 100,000klm or so. There is more liklihood of something else going wrong; like a Panhard rod breaking or bearing/s giving up the ghost etc etc........ie: things you really can't prepare for except for having an onboard welding set-up etc and by carrying a whole bunch of spare parts. But, even new vehicles can spit a wheel bearing etc; so there are no guarantees at all.........you always need to be prepared and self-sufficient

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FollowupID: 450122   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 20:15

Member - Pesty (SA) posted:

Roachie,

612,000 k's sonny, and it goes ANYWHERE your poxy nissan's go, cos its gotta rescue them from time to time LOL

No real time limit on there life, just a matter of how well you care for them, and if you think things are getting too worn to go bush, have them rebuilt just in case.

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AnswerID: 192219   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:02

strzelecki replied:

I think your numbers are about the area where most ppl would be asking "is it safe"certainly would be giving it the twice over b4 going it alone.Or are you just trying to convince yourself its time for change over.

My lux has 350k and i sure would not take that away but it is a 22yo.
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AnswerID: 192221   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:04

Member - Doug T (W.A) replied:

Mine has over 622000 and runs like a charm, change oil 10.000, sometimes add 1 Ltr between services and i was out on the French Line over Easter.....alone.

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FollowupID: 450070   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:12

Footloose posted:

Doug, I salute you :))
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FollowupID: 450074   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:27

Member - Doug T (W.A) posted:

Aye Aye Captain

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FollowupID: 450119   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 20:13

Footloose posted:

I meant for being out on the French line alone :)) Was there in 82 , weren't too many around then either. Older vehicle with stuff on the bar that would see me pinched these days. Fuel consumption of 5 mpg !
Not too sure how many K's on that FJ55V, I didn't worry about it when I was younger :))
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FollowupID: 450154   Submitted: Saturday, Sep 02, 2006 at 10:00

Member - Phil G (SA) posted:

Footy,
Nobody ever knows how many k's on a 55series - speedo started again at 100,000 - nice concept really :-))
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AnswerID: 192225   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:10

Truckster (Vic) replied:

way too many variables....

300,000 is nothing to a diesel (3.0 grenades excluded)if its been maintained 100%..

Woop on patrol list took his across the center with 530,000 on it, 89 model GQ, no issues at all.
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AnswerID: 192227   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:17

Alloy c/t replied:

360,000 Klm ,92 80series turbo diesel automatic , never misses a beat ,uses less than 100ml between oil changes , fresh oil /oil filter/fuel filter every 5000klm ,goes where ever we point it ,loves the sand ,beach and desert ,nil rust ,good for at least another 14yrs .
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AnswerID: 192228   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:17

Peter 2 replied:

Having led many remote area trips over the years with a wide variety of vehicles I tend to look at how the vehicle has been maintained, does the owner do his own servicing (does he/she have a very good knowledge of the vehicle) etc.
If there are any common problems with the vehicle and have they been addressed.
Mind you I'm talking about older/simpler/easily repaired vehicles that are currently round the 20 y/old mark. Modern electronically controlled vehicles will be a different kettle of fish altogether. Most will be unable to be fixed in the bush if they have a major problem.
I'll stick to older and simpler vehicles thanks.
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AnswerID: 192229   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:21

Hairy replied:

My last toyota disel had 425000km and was still going strong, in fact it didnt get retired but when to a harder life! Blackfellas bought it and took it bush for a hunting wagon!
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AnswerID: 192232   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:25

Eric from Cape York Connections replied:

My current 1985 60s has got 247,000 my old 60s lives in coen now and had just on a 500.000 on her. When she left me.

All the best
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AnswerID: 192238   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 17:48

Member - Phil G (SA) replied:

Ideally, if doing the really remote travel, I'd like to change vehicle at 100,000k. But I've just hit 100,000k on the farm truck and it still feels like new, so I'll probably go to 200,000 and reassess

Petrol vs Diesel - IMO no difference these days in terms of longevity and reliability of the actual motor. The stuff that lets you down is more likely to be water pumps, alternators, starters, clutch, radiator etc

After 100,000k it largely depends on maintenance. And extra stuff like replacing the clutch at 200,000 might be worthwhile if you want to still use it on the remote trips.

Cheers
phil
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FollowupID: 450093   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 18:38

cowpat posted:

Haha yes my clutch plate broke in two at almost exactly 198,000. Just short of the magical 200,000. Casper
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FollowupID: 450099   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 19:31

Alloy c/t posted:

You must have too much money/lease your vehicle/ and /or don't like/use a spanner .,,100,000klm and change vehicle ,, not even run in ,, as for the "bits " you mention , ie: radiator ect ,, if you lifted the bonnet occasionally they last as long as the motor ,ever hear of PREVENTATIVE servicing ???
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FollowupID: 450118   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 20:12

Hairy posted:

100000km? I would be only just starting to trust it!
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FollowupID: 450151   Submitted: Saturday, Sep 02, 2006 at 09:48

Member - Phil G (SA) posted:

Hi Alloy,
"Too much money" - can never have too much money :-)) But nope, got wife, 4 kids and a mortgage.
"lease your vehicle" - nope again - I can get a novated lease thru work but if less than 25k per year, not worth doing. I own my vehicles outright - then I can do what I like with them.
"don't use a spanner" - nope again!!! Been doing my own repairs and servicing for 30 years. Even new vehicles we've had - warranty is not worth the paper its written on.

I've found with Toyotas like my current truck, I spend nothing on repairs and relatively little on maintenance in the first 100,000k. Repairs mount up in the 2nd 100,000 when clutch/brakes/maybe gearbox/alternator/batteries/tyres/timing belts/air cond/etc all may need doing.

For me, repairs are a PITA - wipes out a day. For others, each repair or major service wipes out $1000. But if you're doing the remote desert trips, where everything has to be 110%, I get things fixed earlier rather than later.

Sell a vehicle with under 100,000 on the clock and you'll get surprisingly good resale. My previous Prado TD was purchased new for $45k cash/no trade and sold for $39k after almost 3 years. I have friends with identical vehicle, but 2 years older, and they are struggling to get $25k.

Current 79series TD has excellent resale value - theres 4 in todays Advertiser - all priced above $44k - auction prices are all above $40k as well. So depreciation in the first 3 years is not as much as people think, because of the large cash discounts you can get on a new vehicle, and good resale on the good vehicles that are in demand.

But like I say, I think I'll go the second round with this truck - it's too good to get rid of.

Cheers
Phil
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AnswerID: 192243   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 18:10

PatrolBen replied:

My best mates 1984 60series has just clicked over 560,000km. went to cape york in June/July and never missed a beat but did blow some white smoke. Apart from the white smoke (aka too much right foot) could not fault the oledn girl.
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AnswerID: 192246   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 18:16

Member - Scott M (NSW) replied:

My old troopie shows over 200k on the clock, however I'm not sure how accurate this is and I'm not particularily fussed. The 2 previous owners are known, and both serviced it fastidiously. She has no rust, blows very little smoke (white only), and is as solid as a brick sh*thouse. Been checked thoroughly, and there is no percieved problems with the old girl. Over 24 years old, and I'm quite happily heading to the Kimberly tomorrow.

I'd like to see the latest models last this long.
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AnswerID: 192248   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 18:40

MAVERICK(WA) replied:

i've just ticked over to 274,000 in 1989 4.2 petrol maverick..........still just keeps on going - as above if the motor has been maintained (and that is called preventive maintenance) then just the stuff hanging off will be the potential problems. with any diesel as long as it gets clean air and oil and fuel it will just keep on going and going..........sort of the same with a petrol as well. the main problem with longevity is if they are continuously run without 'warming' properly - eg to/from work the shops the school etc - much like taxis keep em working and they will keep alive - do the stop start stuff and they tend to stuff up or require more maintenance than normal and that tends to get expensive. interest will centre around the high pressure common rail stuff now hitting the market and how long they last between rebuilds - especially if they get a gut full of good old country diesel out of a 44. rgds

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AnswerID: 192254   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 19:36

Member - Jack replied:

My '91 Landcruiser diesel now has 317,000km and has just taken me around Australia. I replaced the original clutch just before I left (about 270,000km) just to be on the safe side.

No engine issues at all ... it just kept going, used no oil between changes (5000km or thereabouts).

I did a cv joint at Adelaide River (NT) and the mechanic took the time to go over the whole car and declared it "good as new". I shall reassess it again at 400,000km I suppose but am pretty happy with the way it handled the trip and would have no hesitation in taking it bush again.

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AnswerID: 192259   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 20:06

Footloose replied:

Many thanks to all contributers, fascinating stuff. Have met many older vehicles in fairly remote places I am still amazed.
I shouldn't be. My HJ60 was traded at 425 000 and my old diesel Padj at 300K.
Current HJ80 povo pack has 215K, but except for the starter and alt, has head everything replaced. Replaced the clutch at 200 and it was still good for 40K km.
Nothing wrong with radiator but replaced it anyway. I guess that's what preventative maintainance is all about.
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AnswerID: 192280   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 21:49

Willem replied:

I have a a few vehicles over tha past 40 odd years and with the old technoly ones an engine rebuild was common for 6 cylinder petrol engines around the 380,000mark and for diesels around the 500,000 mark. But you can take a diesel further if it is well maintained.

My GQ has 325,000 on the clock and is running sweetly. The body has a few dents though...lol

It really doesn't matter what age or distance your vehicle has run. If it is good order it can go anywhere.
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FollowupID: 450145   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 22:01

Des Lexic posted:

I was hoping you would give us Rosies lifespan as she was a good ol oiler. And I guess she is still working up at Waraweena.
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FollowupID: 450192   Submitted: Saturday, Sep 02, 2006 at 17:14

Willem posted:

No she wasn't an oiler but 4.0 petrol.

Picked her up at 350,000 in Bundaberg for $2500 and had to do an engine rebuild at 380,000 which cost $800(I did some of the work meself). We towed a 27 footer Viscount with her up to and around 520,000. Then she plodded along on various outback trips to 550,000 and then I retired her to Warraweena where she is still in service today.
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AnswerID: 192282   Submitted: Friday, Sep 01, 2006 at 21:58

RUM'N'RACIN replied:

297000 on my 95 standard cruiser ,next door neighbours fatherinlaw has a 90 model diesel gxl that has just turned over 800000ks , had a couple of clutches and starter motors, half a dozen timing belts, a radiator and a pump rebuild !
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AnswerID: 192366   Submitted: Saturday, Sep 02, 2006 at 19:17

Member - Duncs replied:

My old GQ had 385,000 on her when she was traded on the GU. The vast majority of that was done under the care of Overlander Magazine, where whe worked pretty hard but got plenty of TLC.

When I took over she did a few big trips and got reasonably well looked after. What promted the sale in the end was to failures while on trips, both of them quite unusual.

The first one was a steering linkage. the castle nut stripped the thread and sheared the split pin to fall off, then on a stretch of undulating sand the ball joint jumped out and left me with no steering.

The second one was a bolt hole stripping and leaving the front right brake calliper mounting braket unsecured. It made an awful noise and jamed the brake on.

When I told my mechanic he said it was probably not wise to travel alone in remote places as both of these things were almost impossible to predict, there are plenty olf similar things on the vehicle and to replace all of them in order to be sure of reliability would be uneconomical.

When we were moving to Broken Hill and going back to one car we figured we would upgrade.

The GQ had no engine problems, the clutch was replaced at 245,000km and I had had some problems with batgtery isolators, I also put a new alternator in it at about 300,000km

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AnswerID: 192376   Submitted: Saturday, Sep 02, 2006 at 20:05

Brian B (Mackay Qld) replied:

1994 Diesel Landcruiser Ute (no turbo) with 155,000kms on the clock.
Feels reliable, blows clear smoke, starts first go every morning, battery is about 3 years old.

- 1st owner was a farmer in cloncurry i think
- the 2nd owner was a diesel fitter who had it as a hobby and only used it on days off, he also did up the body (new metalic dark blue /silver paint), put mags on it.
- i am the 3rd owner, an aprentice carpenter who mainly uses it around town as a work/play ute.

Repairs Since i bought it at 134,000kms 2 years ago were;
- gearbox mount
- engine mounts
- solenoid
- patched hole in bottom tank of radiator
- new top radiator hose
- new pinion oil seal at rear diff
- new tyres
- oil change at 5000kms, full service at 10,000kms
- new window winder on drivers side

Extras i put on were;
- pioneermp3 player, 4x pioneer speakers
- new merbau decking in tray
- spotties, rear worklights
- rustproofed (spray on)
- built overhead console with uhf radio
- came with a woodgrain steering wheel
- canvas seatcovers, rubber floormats

I would keep taking this rig on the beach, camping etc, even to outback places if i had time for holidays :)
I plan to have this ute until it dies and i dont think it will for a while.
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AnswerID: 192402   Submitted: Saturday, Sep 02, 2006 at 23:38

mickjp replied:

I bought my 1989 hilux new done 509,487km . No engine problems what so ever, but gearbox seals changed a few times. The dreded oil syphoning from g/box to t/case and vise versa. Sold it in 2001 with gearbox problems, jumping out of 5th gear. Bought a 2nd hand '96 hilux with 55,000 on it. It now has 285,783km on it and going strong. Go the HILUX
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FollowupID: 450255   Submitted: Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 01:52

Member - Stephen M (NSW) posted:

Hi there Mick, yep go the hilux, my'ns just coming up for 300k now do a major service next week before the high country, new viscous coupling on the rad fan, new clutch, had the limo tightened on the diff, new rear bushes, brake shoes, new hoses (all of them) belts,water pump,timing belt & tensioner none of these things have been done before except the clutch and timing belt the rest are all original even the hoses but always have the new ones in the back ready incase, been lucky I spose, allways service every 4k oil & filter, original diffs, gearbox, t/case. Still the old girls going well starts first go every day battery was put in october 2000 and stiil ok but am going to change as well before the trip was waiting for it to die over winter but didnt, high country this year, frazer next then the Kimberly and will be taking the old girl (hilux that is) again, was looking at buying trucksters patrol but had to hold off so missed out now so have decided not to update and keep the old girl. Was thinking of turbo but thought I have had it this long now why bother all though some days I think yeah I will then think na, too many klms now dont want to strain anything. Every part I have put on the old girl has been genuine toyota except centre bearing and have every single receipt since the day it was put on the road in 89. Have log books about an inch thick, even though I do the oil changes myself I get genuine and write on the receipt the date is was changed and klms an whack in files, bet theres not too many 89 SR5 hilux's with service history like this one. Yep she's slow but at the end of the day who's in a hurry any way. Regards Steve M

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AnswerID: 192416   Submitted: Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 06:47

Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses replied:

So many good stories above, it makes Moses look to have crawled out of the wicker bassinet at 83,000 kms. Plenty of good times ahead.
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AnswerID: 192580   Submitted: Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 23:35

chump_boy replied:

I feel a little inadequate here....

My 98 GXL 1HZ 105 Series Landcruiser is about to click over 80,000km....lol

No problems so far, but I would bloody hope not!

Oh - I'm the second owner. First was a surveyor that was based in Castle Hill, and only took it out every now and then.

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AnswerID: 192604   Submitted: Monday, Sep 04, 2006 at 09:22

The Landy replied:

Footloose

I’m just going through the process of completing overhauling my TDI 130 Twin Cab. It had 300K on the clock when I bought it in July expressly with the intention of bringing it right up to spec. Everything has/will be overhauled, recon motor and drive line.

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