Member - Ian H (NSW) posted:

Here Here!!

Member No 1 posted:

you stick to you pot of tea!

Member - Jeff H (QLD) posted:

Love your humour Kiwi K.........................
(Orstralya.......remote. Your Name inference....ah, ahem : Fleeced even?
Man, I just love that'un,,,heh?ehwhehehewhehwheh.
Well posted, Sire.
"Poodle Poster".
ps. (Sorry mate, most of your posts are good'uns. Your last was obviously hastily compiled.) Jeff H.

Kiwi Kia posted:

...worries mate. :-))

Actually it wasn't compiled in haste. Those laws are only put 'on the books' after strong (and considered) representation from the communities concerned. They are not suddenly dreamed up by some wowser in a government dept. When you see a slow disaster forming in front of your eyes then these people try and do something about it. If you have any other ideas I would love to hear them.

Member - Jeff H (QLD) posted:

Kiwi, as indicated elsewhere, would a quarantine check be worth consideration?
At Hopevale,(Qld),alcohol in the vehicle was fine - provided the vehicle stayed on the main road.
Kalumburu is nominally dry, and we complied. That left the rest of the trip (4 weeks) to Derby, somewhat under-provisioned.
Santa Teresa was similar, but we elected to act illegally.
I'm afraid we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. Jeff.

Kiwi Kia posted:

Jeff, I don't know what the answer is but I acknowledge the right of the effected people to determine their own system.

It's is a worldwide problem. I have seen the same story on Indian reservations in the USA (including the rubbish, broken glass etc.).
In some states in the USA it is illegal to have an opened container of alcoholic drink in the vehicle, this can be awkward in a large camper with a 1/2 bottle of liquid in the fridge ! I was stopped at a quarantine station and forgot about the drink in the fridge. Quarantine officer wanted to check for fruit in the fridge came on-board and found a wine bottle, gave us tourists with a foreign accent the benefit of the doubt.

tuck 01 posted:

Hairy
You poor buggers in NT get it rough.
I thought they recently brought in sissy speed limits just because it was too dangerous throwing long-necks out the window at 200+clicks, and now they are going to get rid of long-necks.
Does that mean they will get rid of the new speed limits. Bet not.
Strewth, you blokes get ripped off all the time.

(tongue-in-cheek) Tuck

Bonz (Vic) posted:

Skin colour isnt a yardstick of responsibility for cying out loud furph, I guess you are speaking for your town alone which u say "Basically, Indigenous" people are the problem.

To insinuate that our aboriginal australians are THE problem is ludicrous.

Member - Bill F (VIC) posted:

Follow up to Bonz

I agree to your
"To insinuate that our aboriginal are THE problem is ludicrous."

Some Idiot Made a LAW that says I cannot TRAVEL ALL OVER THIS GREAT LAND with a bottle of beer in my Troopy

I think some other idiot made a law saying I cannot TRAVEL THIS GREAT LAND with PROHIBITED AND HARMFUL substances like heroin etcetera

Bonz
What is "THE problem"?????

BillF

Bonz (Vic) posted:

My guess Bill would be "the IDtenT" syndrome.

Is that it?

furph posted:

Bonz. It could be the moment for you to go and camp overnight on the riverbank at Wilcannia and see how you feel
Mates and I used to camp there in the '70,s (opp. the old Queens Head hotel) and never had a moments bother. Why? Because the publicans kept a control over the grog they sold and to who.
I said that I see problems with both black and white, yes, but the majority???
A very good friend was an Aboriginal Community remote area nurse, 3 locations in Arnham land then the last one at Forest R. north of Wyndham, all "alledgedly" dry.
She ended up giving it all away due to the total frustration of dealing with alcohol fuelled domestic violence and resulting severe injuries she was not qualified to treat.
The last place mentioned had grog delivered by charter aircraft. Think about that!
furph

nissnut posted:

Furph, you redneck. Bonz, ah! blessed are the naive. Trouble is, both of you guys are right in what you say. cheers Lionel.

Bonz (Vic) posted:

furph I have been to Wilcannia and I was none to comfortable and I was driving and not stopping, thats some eerie place. I dont know what THE ANSWER is but 42 somehow seems inappropriate.

I am sure one could find a white Wilcannia too, same deal, hair standing on the back of your neck. Dunno the answer to that either

Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) posted:

Mate ... I retire in 10 weeks - can't wait to travel and get outta here for a while - might come over an see you lot in the West for a bit....

Can I bring beer ???

Grrr!!!

Member - Crazy Dog (QLD) posted:

Dun...

Grrr!!!

Truckster (Vic) posted:

Well put.

Footloose posted:

(and you though fridge brands was a bad topic :)

Smoking has been made largely unfashionable. You can't smoke within coo ee of another living soul etc.. etc.. (which I happen to agree with but still...)
The effects of ink a hol are just as bad.
You can smoke a packet of smokes and drive carefully.
Most can't drink a carton and do the same.
There's no reports of domestic violence, civil disobedience and thuggish behaviour been reported from smoking AFAIK.
People don't appear to commit horrendous crimes and even murder by smoking (normal) cigarettes.
They have done so under the influence.
Smoking can kill.
Ink a hol can kill faster.
Passive smoking may give people cancer.
Passive ink a hol can kill you instantly.

Smoking costs the public health services heaps
Drinking costs the community just as much and long term perhaps more.

So why the outcry on smoking and not on ink a hol abuse ?

Surely if you decide to drink excessively, (or moderately), that's your business ?

Not if we follow the same trail as smoking.

Juzzy posted:

Destiny is not a choice, it just 'is'.

Just remember that you live in a society. A society is made up of many people - some who have it good and some who have it not so good.

Shouldn't it be up to the people who can help, do so and not just blame it on a person's situation? If helping these people is trying to prevent the temptation of alcohol by banning it in these areas, then surely that is something everyone needs to take into consideration and adhere to.

kiwicol posted:

its not a case of going with out f or 2-3 days if you travel up the cape there are areas which you have tp pass thtough to either get fuel or to get futher north and you are not allowed to take boose in to these areas which means you cant take supplies to where you camp and fish for a few weeks with a few coldies at the end of day there are alot of camping spots that dont get any body there now because of these rules and this has had a dramatic effeect on business such as road houses and tourest places i do beleive there should be restrictions for communties as their violence caused by boose is very real but these restrictions should be policed differently for tourests travelling through, i also beleive that the majority of drinkers are well balanced law abiding people that do not want another minority group taking away the rights of the majority as has happened to a lot of our parks and camping areas because a small group of people litter. Col

PhilZD30Patrol posted:

Hi

What has majority or minority got to do with caring about the well being of our mates?

Rights and responsibilities?

No rights no responsibilities

No responsibilities no rights

Yesterday I spent about an hour talking to a 25 year old guy who had climbed into to back of his mates ute for a sleep after a night of heavy drinking. His mate forgot who was in the back of the ute and did a few burnouts to impress the crowd. He rolled the ute, the young guy in the back will be in a wheelchair for the remainder of his life and the driver will probably spend some time in jail.

Both educated young guys who once had good jobs and great futures.

We can argue all day about our rights and the different problems of so called minorities or we can just agree to try and help even when the solutions seem to be nonsense.

Try not to let let Alan Jones and John Laws do all your thinking for you.

Cheers
Phil

kiwicol posted:

well i do my own thinking and dont listen to the two idiots you mentioned, i live in far north Qld and see for myself the effects of boose, i to as many other people have friends who have done stupid things and endered up in wheel chairs, but if you had read my post as the words where written that i agree with the bans for the people that do need help as they are the only race of people on the planet that never brewed or made any form of alchol which has now become their downfall, but on the other hand travellers should be able to travell trhough these restricted areas with their alchol and not be policed in the same text, last time i heard democracy was a majority decision to help all, not all government decisions are correct as in this case its partly correct but does need refining for the responible drinking tourist who spend fast amounts of dollars in the communities concerned, drive the tourist away and every one is affected and that is what is happening at the moment business are going broke communities are losing much needed flow of dollars just for a law which is partly right ( your not a politition are you ) Col

djm67 posted:

Again I say no good for us rum drinkers (unless it has changed again???)

The law did allow a carton of mid/lite beer per vehicle (not per person)

But NO spirits of any kind.

I don't drink beer.

I'm the 4th generation of my family to have worn our country's uniform, but I don't have the right to take even 1 nip (let alone a bottle) of a normally legal product for my private use through a particular area of our country.

If for no other reason, those communities can live without my tourist dollar.

Old Johno [NSW] posted:

I know from personal experience in the cape that the local indigenous people also do after hours grog runs so my thoughts on part of the problem is they should be trying to sort themselves out and not to put the blame on others.
Maybe a few of the elders could try standing up on their own two feet and do something constructive, not continuously bleet about how hard done by they are

Member - Jeff H (QLD) posted:

Mate I don't have the start of an answer to this or petrol-sniffing probs.
Missus an me camped a night in Wilcannia park in 2003. Another white pric was camped over the far side from us. The river was running, and so were the yeller belly.Not a scrap of fishing gear in the ute! (Or a bloody permit)
One older bloke on the Town side was threading 'em on a holding line with monotonous regularity. Then a bunch of local louts came through our camp (2 fish only).We exchanged the customary greetings, and they wandered on. Never a problem.
Mind you, all glass around had been smashed, including the solar panels on the oblutions roof, and a police patrol did cruise through.
Three potential points.
(7)If you blend a little, then you may just pass muster
(8)Maybe a full river elevates spirits?
(9)The white pric in the far corner has become a permanent friend. BJ just turned out to be a senior RAAF Doggie .
Carrying grog THROUGH ? I knew folk(lovely people; nice houses )in the 80s who lined their pockets : but why target tourists? Simply do a quarantine check at each side :impose a cost if you must. Man, these rules in Qld have decimated (?) Cape tourism. So far WA folk seem a little more realistic.
Enough. Jeff H.