Guy crossing flooded river finally charged

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From the Mackay Daily Mercury story today:

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Mackay driver's risky flood crossing on internet


MACKAY driver Russell Lahiff is a star on the internet for all the wrong reasons taking a four-wheel-drive across a flooded river, while towing a boat, and with a 13-year-old passenger.

Lahiff, 25, was photographed taking his Landcruiser utility across the flooded Condamine River at Murray's Bridge, near Warwick, on January 5 this year.

The pictures are now on Microsoft powerpoint on the internet on a site titled: When wankers and H20 combine.

There was a road closed sign up at the time, warning drivers away from going across the river.

Lahiff drove in while towing a boat. The water level reached the height of the dashboard and was lapping the windscreen. The current was swift and strong.

The boat "floated" several times, lifting up the trailer and turning side-on to the car.

The width of the river was about 150 metres and Lahiff had no idea if the road was still under him.

The commentary on the website says he was driving a $70,000 vehicle and the bridge was normally six to seven metres above the water level.

When Lahiff finally made the other side, the front number plate had been swept away by the floodwaters. Once across he opened the doors and let the ankle-deep water drain from the cabin.

One of the assembled crowd asked why he did it and he responded: "What that? It was nothing. I've been through deeper water than that. Yuk yuk" and then drove off only to return to offer his email address to the same person and ask if he would send him some photos.

Police also saw the photos and the car rego number and yesterday Lahiff pleaded guilty to driving without due consideration for other road-users.

Magistrate Damien Dwyer told him: "You are going to lose your licence but the length of time will depend on whether you do a defensive-driving course."

Lahiff will be sentenced on December 22.

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It seems that more than one person thought his antics earlier this year were risky, and the law has caught up with him.

I really wonder IF he had any local knowledge of that bridge afterall as it sounds like he is from Mackay, 1000km away....hmmm.

Andrew


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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:53

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:53
" Lahiff pleaded guilty to driving without due consideration for other road-users"

What about charging him with something along the lines of "Recklessly endangering life" given the risk to his kid??
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:01

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:01
Yeah and when he gets his licence back it should be conditional upon him never being allowed to carry a passenger under the age of 18.

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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:01

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:01
i agree John

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Follow Up By: ben_gv3 - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:18

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:18
"Magistrate Damien Dwyer told him: "You are going to lose your licence but the length of time will depend on whether you do a defensive-driving course." "

I didn't know river crossing were taught at your average defensive-driving course?

Does the Magistrate have a clue?
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:34

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:34
Ben, i don't think the problem was with his technique, rather that he did it in the first place, ignoring obvious road signage.

Obeying the road rules would be part of a DD course one would think.

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Follow Up By: austastar - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 13:42

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 13:42
But what an ad for Toy Motor Utes
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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 13:49

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 13:49
WooHoo .... big brother strikes again ....

What other road users ???? Nobody else was game enough or dumb enough to do it. A dangerous driving charge / reckless endangerment perhaps ... but driving without due consideration for other road-users is a crock.

Dumb points:... Not walking the crossing, as stated by witnesses, according to media.

In general .......

A/... Walk the crossing
B/... Veh prep - tarp / fanbelt / wd40 etc
C/... Passengers - based on walk test.
D/... A bridge is a bridge ... other end is where all the other cars are parked.
E/... Water to the dash ??? ... been there plenty of times ... mainly in the tropics.
F/... Flow rate at time of crossing,
G/... Weight of towing vehicle.
H/... Towing a boat without weighting it down - although there would be less drag on the boat if it was facing upstream compared to the current hitting it broadside.

Another paper states crossing the river was a stupid act ... and in some cases they would be right ... some drivers should never cross a flooded river.
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Follow Up By: furph - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 14:24

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 14:24
Wonder how Mr. Plod got the rego. number from the photo after the front number plate had been washed away?
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 14:44

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 14:44
Mr Plod???

I believe vehicles these days have 2 number plates furph....just need to look at the rear number plate shown on one of the images.

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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 16:47

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 16:47
"Dumb points:... Not walking the crossing, as stated by witnesses, according to media."

Even DUMBER suggestion ! The boat and tariler were being washed sideways !!!

If he'd tried to walk it, he would have been washed into the river - and then if the rescue services had refused to risk their lives on rescuing such a dumbass, his family most probably would have sued them.
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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 17:29

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 17:29
Mike DID

If when conducting the walk test of the crossing ... would you, upon finding the current flow was too strong at say, knee depth ... continue walking ?????????

BTW - A boat is designed to float ... also read comment again about less drag.

Dont get too excited .... I dont agree with the way the character did what he did ... his mentality is summed up by his returning and asking for pics of the event ... if it was such a ho hum affair ... he would not have bothered.

My point is ... dont let the media / whatever con you ... Someone properly set and prepared would find a similiar situation would only be a cause for slight concern.

The fact that an unprepared person safely made it across proves this point.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Yalgoo) - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 18:42

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 18:42
couldnt see the problem.......... he was towing the appropriate spare
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 23:22

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 23:22
"The fact that an unprepared person safely made it across proves this point."

So based on your "logic", if someone survived Russian Roulette (one bullet in six chambers) you would declare Russian Roulette to be totally safe ????
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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Thursday, Oct 30, 2008 at 03:12

Thursday, Oct 30, 2008 at 03:12
Mike DID,

Hope your not fishing and dodging bullets yourself .....

I had hoped any answer from you would have been in response to this:

>If when conducting the walk test of the crossing ... would you, upon finding the current flow was too
>strong at say, knee depth ... continue walking ?????????

My statement ... "The fact that an unprepared person safely made it across proves this point." ... is in reference to to what a 'prepared" person could do ... not Russian Roulette or wherever your logic is taking you.
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 17:05

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 17:05
Thats a great result, it was a sily thing to do and he should be taken to task for it.Well done to the Wallopers
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Reply By: Crackles - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 17:41

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 17:41
Well as silly as the fella may or may not have been it could just have set a precident now where crossing a flooded river may be seen as an offence! Something I've seen hundreds of people do including driving around road closure signs where locals know the roads & depths. "Driving without due concideration for other road users" is garbage as only he & his son were endangered, no one else.
Also opens up another can of worms where an unsuspecting photographer who's posted what he's seen as an exciting river crossing on Utube for a bit of a laugh has now been used to prosecute the fella, something I doubt he intended to do. It's no wonder people black out their number plates in photo's as who really know's who's looking?
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony B (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 18:07

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 18:07
Craig. It sounds like what he did was very stupid. But what you have said is correct. I have crossed many a deep river as a local when roads are closed for general traffic. The road closed are put there for general safety. A well prepared responsible driver could cross a lot of rivers when roads are closed, its just you are not allowed because previous fools have got washed off for not doing it right. Once again all suffer because the mistakes of a few. I got trapped in Iron Range Cape York with a road closed by a new policeman on the beat. There was no problems to an experienced driver, but because a tourist left the road it was too dangerous for evryone. It gets a bit frustrating.

My rule is, if you can walk it, you can drive it. Rivers like the Annan near Cooktown and the Bloomfield are a good example. If they get above knee deep and you test the waters with a walk you can feel the pace and the drag on your legs and you would not attempt the crossing. But some of the still water crossings on the PDR (Cape York) I have been across with water at 1.2m.
Anyway enough - Basicly the road was closed, you are not allowed to cross. Cheers Tony
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 21:25

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 21:25
Tony, The main reason for road closure is to protect the road, not the motorists, getting bogged and fishtailing along a wet road destroys the road but wont kill you.. In this case it was the causeway that was closed due to a raging waters, to protect the stupid. Michael
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 23:00

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 23:00
He couldn't have known if the road was actually under that water or not.

If you are on a closed road you are not covered by insurance.

If you choose to drive on a closed road you run the risk of being caught doing the wrong thing. He got caught.
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Reply By: Topcat (WA) - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 19:05

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 19:05
It is idiots like him that give 4WD owners a bad name. Good to see he finally got what he deserves!!!!!
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Reply By: bordertrek - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 22:28

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 22:28
This reminds me of the four police officers who were apparently doing some driver training near Meadows SA one day. They attempted to cross a flooded fast flowing creek in a 100 series, even though the depth marker indicated a 1.2 mt depth and it was fast flowing they still attempted it.
They got swept away, the 100s drowned and one of them had to be rescued by the SES and was treated for hyperthermia.
Dont know if the road was "closed" or not but no doubt no one was charged, maybe a reprimand by their superiors, who knows.
But this bloke in Qld drove on a closed road and that attracts a penalty no matter where the closed road is.
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Reply By: Trekkie (Member - WA) - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 23:05

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 23:05
The kid in the pasenger seat has a grin from ear to ear - probably egged his Dad on
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 23:07

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 23:07
Awefully young dad for a 13 year old, don't you think? :-)

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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 23:24

Wednesday, Oct 29, 2008 at 23:24
Congratulations Andrew .....

One would think that someone who had fathered a child at the age of twelve would have had to do some quick growing up ... and would know to to conduct some water crossing preparation.

Just more misleading info, further compounding peoples thoughts to extremes, on an act of recklessness.
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Reply By: Waynepd (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 30, 2008 at 07:38

Thursday, Oct 30, 2008 at 07:38
If this bridge is supposed to 6 0r 7 meters above the normal water level and it was not visible, how did he possibly know it was still intact. He risked a rather watery grave for his young companion and himself.

I know we should let the Darwin Awards take their course but the little fella had no input did he?
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Reply By: Member - Brad S (SA) - Thursday, Oct 30, 2008 at 13:05

Thursday, Oct 30, 2008 at 13:05
$70,000 vehicle & boat...and I wonder what he paid for a lawyer?
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Reply By: OzTroopy - Thursday, Oct 30, 2008 at 15:10

Thursday, Oct 30, 2008 at 15:10
Is there any body on this forum who was at Murrays Bridge on the Condamine when this happened ....???????

Would be great to know any of the following points.

1/. ... Was the bridge closed or was the crossing not recommended ... according to the signage ??? - bit hard to tell looking at the back of the displayed signs.
2/. ... Were light vehicles only,... restricted from crossing ... or all vehicles ??
3/. ... What knowledge of the area did the driver have. ??
4/. ... Had someone, in actual fact, informed the driver that the road was intact beneath the water. ?? e.g. a local with a UHF or maybe even one of those modern, cant be without ... mobile telephone thingys ???


Whilst I am pretty sure that we are all in agreeance that the action was, at the least ... risky ... AND with a lot of " WHAT IF and MAYBE " situations tossed in ... downright stupid and life threatening ... what were the actual conditions at the time. ???

As with everyone else who is commenting on this event ... I only have the photos to go by. The photos show me .........

1/. ...A flooded river,
2/. ...A 4wd with water up to its windscreen,
3/. ...The tops of road markers and water cascading over the handrails/guard rails of a concrete bridge ... ( ooops ... I had to google the bridge to find out it was concrete )
4/. ...The fastest flowing water is in the the river 'channel' ... as one would expect ... and the water nearer the banks is hardly moving by comparison.
5/. ...The fast flowing current is slowed at the bridge because of the armco and bridge railings. This is shown by the movement of the vehicle when it gets to the eastern side of the bridge and leaves the protection of the railing area ...( he probably should have steered right a bit more prior to that point )
6/. ...A floating boat - sideways to the towing vehicle ... boats do that ... obviously is a good safe boat with lots of bouyancy, to happily lift trailer as well.
The nose of the boat pointing upstream actually reduces drag.
7/. ...The vehicle is a trayback and regardless of brand is much better suited to flowing water crossings, than a slabsided, all wheel drive station wagon. Water pressure on the vehicle is less, as water can get through the chassis and tray frame. That might help explain to some, why an apparently unladen ute didnt get washed off the eastern side of the bridge approach. ( East is basically the way the vehicle was heading ) I will briefly fall in line with the " what if " crowd and suggest that an aluminium tray instead of the steel one on the vehicle, might have been all that was needed to upset the weight balance and turn the event into a tragedy.
8/. ... A provided chart with the photos shows that the river had peaked at the time of the crossing. A river at its peak ... is also at its slowest ... Actually, less dangerous than a faster flowing, lower level of water. Anybody with a knowledge of estuary fishing will confirm this ... as will someone with two buckets, a funnel and a length of hose. Still not without its risks though........
9/. ...The term " raging waters " as bandied about, relates more to a Tully white water rafting trip than an overflowing river. Still ... its a good term to stir the emotions of those not having viewed or experienced such events ... " swift and strong " was the term in the newspaper report ... a surprisingly, subdued comment for a media article.

The presentation of the points above is not to to condone or promote the drivers actions nor to suggest others to do similiar ... They are simply a reality check, to help explain, why a person, who did something they shouldn't have done ( my view ), managed the crossing without mishap ... IMHO ... the driver failed to do so many things in preparation, which if carried out, would have made it plain to him not to cross at all !!

I for one, would not even attempt such a crossing in a new vehicle dependant on easily, water affected electronics to keep the engine running.. And from experience, I certainly would not tackle the water condition displayed in the photos, without having a semi / roadtrain in front of me, I could tuck in close behind .......

Oh and Brad S (SA) .... excellent signature ... probably should of just used that instead of typing all this .... lol
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