Member - Glenn(VIC) posted:

Gooday Diamond,

I have to agree with your wife. I was dropping James off the other morning and this women almost ran into the side of me she was in such a rush. Mind you we were stopped at the childrens crossing. When I gave her the look of death for nearly hitting the mighty Totota Landcruiser (lol), she started abusing the crap out of me. Luckily James took control, wound down the window and told her what he thought of her(from the mouths of babes).

I just cannot understand why the limit isn't 40 kmh in ALL places during the required times. The speed limits in Vic are so confusing now, with so many inconsistencies, lets at least get one right. All you have to do is drive along the Warburton Hwy to see how ludicrous our speed limits are. Over 30 speed limit changes in a 20 km distance!Just Do It!

diamond (bendigo) posted:

tell me about it coming to your place sunday speed limit changes all over the place i spent more time watching the speed limit signs and my spedo than i did watching the road.
ps hows that cruise control going—~‘¬‘¥•s’B

Member - Glenn(VIC) posted:

I put the truck in for a pre trip service, and the accelerator cable is worse than we thought. Toyota want to charge me $160 just for the cable, so I am trying to source one via my local wrecker at the moment, hopefully he can get one from Cairns on Thursday/Friday. Anyway, this means I have not used the cruise control as I do not want to put any added pressure on the other cable.

By the way, the pre trip also showed the power steering pump was screwed! I nearly had a heart attack when they told the price of a new one, so a few hours and $650 later I got the Cruiser back.

Now I am definately counting the days to get outback!Just Do It!

uppy posted:

i like to had a beer , But its when we go camping along old dusk tacks.Any way Diamond , What kind of c/conrol should i get for my 4.2 efi patrol
thanks uppy

Bazza posted:

I totally agree with "Old Jack's" comments. I personaly think that it should be zero % for all drivers regardless. I like a drink as everone else does, but driving and grog just does'nt mix. I do'nt like my wife and son running the increased risk of being involved in a prang with a grog affected driver, full licenced or P plater. One thing eveyone should remember ........ when your young, ( and we all were ) you think your six foot tall and bulletproof ......... and with a few grogs under your belt, that's a very dangerous mix.
Regards,
Barry.

Willie posted:

Hi Old Jack,

Just want to ask about your statement about a Drivers Licence being a Priviledge to hold. Please explain your thoughts to me.

Cheers,

WillieNever a dull moment

Old Jack posted:

Willie,
A Drivers License is something that is earned, being allowed to take a vehical out onto the road is something that requires a healthy respect for the laws of physics, the road rules and common sense!

Its not something handed out like toys in a cereal packet.

The way I look at it is that there are some people who should not hold a Drivers license, for many reasons, not just grog, or drugs.

Too the many people who do the right thing, are curtius, polite and drive safely the privilage is being able to drive anywhere anytime within the law & road rules.

Break the rules and the privilage should be revoked.

Happy motoring!

Willie posted:

Hi Old Jack,
I figured that your answer would be in that vein and while I agree with you on some points I do see the Drivers Licence as another revenue raising tool.
Cars are just another tool for mankind and like all tools you have to learn how to operate it. Once that is done and a competency test has been completed then there should be an update test every five years. But not to the detriment of the driver. And we are all drivers, even the law makers.
Our road system is so inadequate that many accidents happen. We are never going to change that until we upgrade the system to something else.
Safe travelling.

Willie
Never a dull moment

Old Jack posted:

Willie,
I could not agree more about the update test every five years, I have to update my first aid cert for work every 12months, my confined space training & fire fighting every 12 month & do a CPR refresher every 6 months! (mad about safety???)

as for Drivers Licence as another revenue raising tool. what do you suppose they would have to do to raise the revenue to fix the roads :- raise taxes! nothing is a free ride in this world I'm affraid it's only going to get worse, they predict in 20 years time less than 50% of the population will be working as opposed to the 60+ % that are working now, the money has to come from somewhere to pay for roads etc.

the burden for tax payers is only going to increase, the pollies need to bit the bullet so to speak and embark on a large capitol Works/spending program to increase the nations wealth, at the moment billions of dollars that could be turned into manufactureing infirstructure are going off shore due to a lack of basic infirstructure & the current housing boom is hurting manufactureing as people poor millions of dollars into things that don't make anything!

sad really, we import way too much finished goods & send too much raw product over seas without value adding(read more profit for our country!)

cheers!

Member - Bob posted:

Jonny,
I think the people who designate speed zones, draw the double lines etc must be over .08 when they do it. Getting these things right would seem pretty important to my way of thinking. A lot more care and professionalism should go into traffic controls. At the moment they appear to be designed by people interested in revenue, implemented by idiots, and often times, policed by cowboys.Bob

cert posted:

Look the easiest way too settle this, is that if like me you have an old hj60 landcruiser, get a Northern Territory bullbar and side rails like me, no school mums, no children, no cars for that matter will ever get in your way, those bullbars are jsut plain dangerous

Member - Glenn(VIC) posted:

Hi Willie, you have misunderstood what I have written. I am not complaining about the 40 kmh zones, what I am concerned about is that it depends on what the speed limit of the zone is outside of the prescribed hours that decides whether the speed limit is reduced around schools to 40, 50 or 60 kmh. It should be standard throughout the state that it is 40 kmh during the prescribed times, no matter what. This would alleviate any confusion that already exists on our state roads when it comes to speed limits. As someone wrote in the Herald Sun 50/50, the speed limit confusion assists with the new police motto - to serve and collect.

CheersJust Do It!

Willie posted:

That's OK Glenn.
We are down at Anglesea at present and will be heading home on 12th Sept. Have to find a few parts for my G60 in Melbourne on the 11th.

Which way are you heading on your trip up north. If you pass through Peterborough drop in for a cuppa.
Cheers,
Willie
Never a dull moment

Member - Glenn(VIC) posted:

Hi Willie,

Won't be coming your way on the way up, but possibly on the way back. We will be coming from Coober Pedy to Port Augusta on Thursday 9th October. My email address is glennamarshall@iprimus.com.au if you are going to be home then and would like to provide contact details, as we could certainly drop in for a cuppa on the Friday morning.

CheersJust Do It!

Willie posted:

Hi Glenn,
We will have to make it some other time then as I will be out of the country from 3rd October to 20th October. Next time you come up to the Flinders we can put on a tour:-))
Cheers,
Willie
Never a dull moment

Truckster (Vic) posted:

Willie, its illegal to have an open alcohol container in a car in some US States!!

Good idea I reckon!

Truckster (Vic) posted:

LOL its currently your "RIGHT" to have a beer on the way home? In few weeks it WONT be your right, like we dont have the right to speed, or run people over etc...

Honestly, you cant wait an hour for a beer?

Gee banning people from drinking beer while driving is going to cause problems... Stupidity at its greatest, how dumb...

cruiser posted:

Thanks Truckster, I am with you on that point.

ThePublican posted:

I make my living from the sale of booze, as it reads " the Publican " and all other on this or any other forum who whish to debate the merits of "drink driving and or having a drink while driving " are the proverbial "BLOODY IDIOT"
My public liability insurance ,, just to cover some fool jumping in his/her car after having the odd 1 to many,, " no matter how good your staff in responsible service " has gone from $19k per 3yrs ago to $154k this year ,,, anyone wish to pay my bill so a-oles can drink and drive?????

Truckster (Vic) posted:

Trev

Reason behind that is that they dont know when you had your last drink.

I used to do the same as ya young bloke, and they stopped it as one bloke did it, then drove off, and killed 2 people DUI...

his defence was he went to the sty and blew .03 and was told he was right to drive.

So that put the kybosh on that good idea.

Member - Glenn(VIC) posted:

Publican,

That is due to a court ruling in QLD a few years ago when a patron left the pub, got in his car and killed a pedestrian. I have worked in Hotels for 15 years, and I agree with you that no matter how "responsible" staff and management are when serving alcohol, unless the lawyers and the courts stand up against those who believe that we drag people in off the street, tie them to a stool and force them to drink alcohol, we will continue to have insurances pushed up. What happened to the onus being on an individual?

The drink driving laws have affected the hospitality industry in a huge way, and hotels are more responsible these days when it comes to drinking, smoking, looking after children etc. We have security to prevent trouble and assist in removing patrons who refuse to accept that they have had enough. Our staff and management attend courses in responsible service in alcohol, and yet it is always the Venue that is wrong and is to blame when an incident occurs.

As I said earlier, the onus HAS to be returned to the individual who makes the choice to consume alcohol. Make the laws tougher on those who refuse to leave Venues when requested by staff or management. Make the laws tougher on those who drink and drive. Hit them where it hurts, in their pocket and publicly humiliate them on tv in a show similar to Australia's Most Wanted. Make it easier for Publicans to get on with their job of creating an environment that is safe and fun for all who enter.

PS. What pub are you in?Just Do It!

Luke posted:

stirrer :-)

LOL

diamond (bendigo) posted:

me never lol—~‘¬‘¥•s’B

Member - Glenn(VIC) posted:

Thanks Publican,

You are, and must always have been a perfect angel. Just Do It!

Member - Glenn(VIC) posted:

You are right Diamond, and I think that people forget that. It is ILLEGAL to drive a car that is unroadworthy. It is ILLEGAL to drive a vehicle when under the influence of drugs, it is ILLEGAL to drive a vehicle, ride a pushbike, ride a horse and cart, rollerblade, skateboard, scooter, motorbike over 0.05. It is ILLEGAL to drive a motor vehicle whilst talking on a non-handsfree mobile phone. It is ILLEGAL to eat whilst driving, it is ILLEGAL to put on make up whilst driving. It is LEGAL to consume an alcoholic beverage whilst driving as long as it does not impede your driving, it does not put you over 0.05 nor cause you to drive erratically. I think that we have become so dosile in objecting against law changes that are such a waste of time. What the bloody hell are we voting these people in for? Bracks and his cronies have spent a 1.4 billion dollar surplus in less than 5 years, and what has Victoria got to see for it?

I wonder if others read the Herald Sun and saw the number of letters written to the editor about the senseless idiocy surrounding the decisions on how low speed limits limit drop around schools and how they agree with my feeling that it should be 40 kmh no matter what the normal speed zone is.

What amazes me Diamond, is the number of people that obviously consider themselves to be so perfect, having,by the sound of it, never had a drink before getting behind the wheel of a car.

What a sinner am I, lol.Just Do It!

ThePublican posted:

Diamond,the point being made was that Glen is p-s-ed off that the laws are to be changed to make it illegal to have the drink alcholic be it 1st or 100th while in charge of the motor vehicle,,to be irresponsible in vehicle maintenance is another legislative nightmare yet to be solved,,,ignorance of the law is NOT a valid defence under our judicial system,,so sorry officer I did not know that 1 stubby resting between my knees caused me to run the red light at double the speed limit and I realy and truly am sorry for killing the 2 little girls who where in the road ,but i only took my eyes off the road for 1second to take a swig of my 1 and only beer,,,, drink and drive,under or over the limit,,STILL A BLOODY IDIOT.

diamond (bendigo) posted:

gday the publican.
thats just as silly as saying .
sorry officer i did not know that the lip stick i had in my hand caused me to run the red light at double the speed limit and I realy and truly am sorry for killing the 2 little girls who where in the road ,but i only took my eyes off the road for 1 second to put my lip stick on and its my only lip stick.what part is glenn saying that is ignorance of the law.
—~‘¬‘¥•s’B

ThePublican posted:

Diamond,,is meant tongue in cheek,,not implying that Glen is ignorant of the law,, however his attittude to a CHANGE of the law concerning driving while drinking is and should be of grave concern,, traffic at peak times be it even in Bendigo demands and deserves your full faculties,,Not had a hard day at work !.so need to have a beer while driving home,,,get real,1 leads to 2 leads to ??????some poor innocents death,,,,

diamond (bendigo) posted:

gday publican.
ive read everything here and i see peoples points and yours 1 turns to 2 ect but thats not what glenns post was about he. as i said earlier is talking about 1 beer on the way home now really thats not being an irresponsible bloody idiot is it?you would remember when the law changed from.08 to .05 the whinging that happened.thats not what hes on about.there a big diference about people who want to go to the pub and have a few and take the chance of driving home in the hope of being just under .05 3 in the first hour and 1 every hour after ect.hes talking 1 beer in 1 hour.as you can see from my posts i dont condone drink driving my point is why do people go on about 1 beer on the way home thats been legal for years and years.how many poor inocent deaths have beer caused by a driver who have had 1 beer compared to drink drivers(those over the limit)sleepy drivers/those on mobile phones/make up/unroadworthy cars/yelling at kids/in a hurry/changing radio stations and so on thats my point

ThePublican posted:

Laws change,,responsibilities change, proven fact is that a small minded minority cannot and will not change unsociable behaviour to the detriment of the responsible majority,Glens attitude towards a change of the law banning his so called RIGHT to drink and drive is on par with the bloke at the lights shaving/the girl doing her makeup ect ect ect,,,,as stated previously,,BLO-DY IDIOT,,Do you realy want to share the road with him,,,
You live in a totally different world if you can condone driving while under the influence,be it only the 1 beer.

diamond (bendigo) posted:

gday publican.
laws change yes i believe thats not a bad thing if its for the better of the greater majority.but tell me how can stopping a person having 1 beer be better.yeh i would share the road with him and any one else if its only 1 beer in 1 hour.as i said i dont condone drink driving i would refuse to get into a car if i know the person has had to many as aposed to a person who is having 1 beer while driving home.so whats next no drinking at a pub even for one drink if you have to drive from the pub while you take all your mates out.no i relly dont think thats fair. being a bloody idiot and being a resposible driver are two totally diferent things.—~‘¬‘¥•s’B