Standalone battery pack for 3 nights of light

Submitted: Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 23:04
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Hi guys! First post! I've been lurking around and I have to say, this forum is the best source of outdoor info.

Anyways, I'm planning a camping trip for 3-4 nights at the murray and want to light up the camp site at night. Although I do have a genny, I don't want to bring it along as it is heavy, takes up space in the car, requires fuel and ofcourse is kinda noisy!

So I was wondering what you pros out there with experience think i should do to meet these requirements:

1) Suggest a suitable light to illuminate approx 40-50m radius... that I could sling over a branch... and preferbally be water proof.
2) Suggest a battery pack that will be able to supply power for approx. 30 continuous hours as well as charge a laptop/ipod once per charge.

Sole purpose of the battery pack is to provide light and on the odd occasion to charge a laptop/ipod. I plan to charge the battery from home via mains and deplete it over the trip. I've been looking at some of these blue apple power packs but i don't know if they are suitable for my needs:http://www.homeof12volt.com/shop/index.php/page/shop/browse/category_id/b58213cf9473d6d8fac88ee65263b183

Any input would be highly appreciated!
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Reply By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 23:10

Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 23:10
50m radius ?

How high is the branch ?

Sounds like a sports field not a camp site ;-)



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Follow Up By: CodMaster - Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 23:25

Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 23:25
Sorry, by 50m radius i mean to illuminate, not blind haha! Just enough light to get around camp without having to use a torch.

How high is the branch? considering all trees aren't the same, i guess it's as high as a piece of string ;D

Well on some occasions we sometimes have some 10+ tents set up, so i guess you could call it a sports field haha.
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Follow Up By: CodMaster - Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 00:06

Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 00:06
Well well look what i found!

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/12V-CAMP-WORK-LIGHT-BRIGHT-6M-CABLE-TRIPOD_W0QQitemZ390111864242QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item5ad47aa5b2

Do you think a couple of these will do the trick? Though, they don't look that bright in the pics.
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Follow Up By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 08:02

Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 08:02
Yes the Rocket Light is a good idea but they are only a 13W tube same as Torpedo and other work lights. This will light up about a 6m to 10m radius. Perhaps get two of those 30ah battery packs and two lamps and then you will have the 30 hours that you require with some spare for the other accessories.

So 2 of these... Rocket-lamp



and 2 of these... ABR-30ah



and one of these...Ultimate-charger



and I am sure if you ask the seller will throw in two of these and some spade connectors to get the whole job done. 3-outlet-board



and it should look like this...




Regards

Derek from ABR
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 08:32

Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 08:32
Hey Derek,

Can you ask that seller if the ultimate charger can do flooded batteries? ;)

Andrew
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Follow Up By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 08:47

Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 08:47
He says yes ;-)

Use the mid setting same as AGM.

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Reply By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 23:18

Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 23:18
There are plenty of 12v Fluros that would achieve what you want. As for standalone battery packs they should be able to power a 12V Fluro for 3 nights and charge an Ipod etc. The other option is buy a battery box and put your choice of battery in for even more power. I have a Projecta Battery Box that has served me well, take your pick, buy something as big as possible. I would also suggest a 12V LED Light for when you don't need the power of a Fluro, the insects will love the Fluro and perhaps drive you crazy.
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Follow Up By: CodMaster - Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 23:40

Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 23:40
Thanks for your reply! The fluro idea is what i had in mind, low power consumption and good dispersion of light, I'll have to look on ebay for a waterproof one.. Good idea with the LED, but I don't think it will be of any use to me.

How much did it cost you to set up your own battery pack? I mean you would have to get a box, battery, charger, inverter, wiring and other bits and pieces. I don't have the knowledge to build one, unless its just a matter of dumping a battery in the box.. and i don't think I'd be able to whip one up before the trip. I was thinking something pre-made, which was why I was looking at those Blue Apple battery packs.
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 10:52

Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 10:52
The battery box is simply a plastic container with battery connections so it's easy, no inverter , not sure why you think you need an inverter? 12V battery to 12V fluro. The battery box has a couple of 12v sockets and a charge meter etc, all you do is connwect the positive and negatives internally. Failing that I think Derek made some good sugestions via Sidewinder.

I have attached the ebay link below, or just type Projecta into the Ebay search page, this one is $370 but has a 44AH battery, building your own with a battery box could see you spend a similar amount but have a 90AH battery, the Projecta would be easier to carry around, it all gets down to how much capacity you want. I have run a 12V Fluro for 3 nights of a smaller Projecta unit, around 17AH but I left it connected to a solar panel during the day to trickle charge it.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/PROJECTA-2000Amp-JUMPSTARTER-12-24V-44AH-POWER-THUMPER_W0QQitemZ320443919515QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item4a9bf22c9b

My fluro is water resistant, I can't remember what brand but it really lights up a wide area, it uses a normal 35 watt fluro tube. Perhaps Google search that one.
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 11:02

Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 11:02
Here is a link via for a 12V Fluro via the 12V shop for reference.

Industrial Fluorescent Light FittingsMobilum Handhelds
The ultimate handheld light. These handheld fluorescent lights are tougher than your average light. The MOBILUM range of fluoro is water proof and shock proof. Integrated into this tough little unit is the standard features of the Stengel fluoro fittings including the radio interference suppression, low loss reverse polarity protection, over and under voltage protection. The Mobilum is also enclosed in a water proof housing that is rated to IP 68.

With mounting clamps available, the Mobilum can also be mounted on walls. The luminaires have an integrated soft start, over voltage protection and reverse polarity protection. Available in 12 or 24 Volt (except models with T5 tubes).

LSMH11/12 Handheld 12V 11W $165.00
LSMH11/24 Handheld 24V 11W $165.00
LSMH18/12 Handheld 12V 18W $242.00
LSMH18/12CF Handheld 12v18w CF $242.00
LSMH36/12 Handheld 12V 36W $283.30

http://www.12volt.com.au/redirect.html?a=/General Htmls/webcat2003/lights.html






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Reply By: REV'S - Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 23:20

Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 23:20
Hi Codmaster,
Look into solar power panels
Cheers Mary Anne
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Follow Up By: CodMaster - Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 23:44

Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 23:44
Hi Mary Anne,
Thanks for your suggestion! However, I don't think solar power wouldn't suit my needs. They are a little too fragile and take up a lot of boot space. Plus i'd still have to bring along a battery anyway for the solar panels to store its charge during the day. Also i'm not too sure how well they perform in winter either. I think the pre-charged battery method is the safest bet for reliable power source.

Cheers,
Will
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Reply By: DIO - Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 00:26

Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 00:26
Here's what you need. LINK
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Reply By: Maîneÿ . . .- Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 00:46

Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 00:46
What you need is something like this 12v light or possibly 2 or three as they are soo cheap, you can buy larger capacity globes than the 60 watt (equivelent) I use

Run it from a "quality" 100 ah AGM Deep Cycle battery, reason being it will recharge fast daily

Obviously change the light cable fitting (from 240v) to one that will securely attach to the AGM battery, they can also be made waterproof

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Reply By: Boobook2 - Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 06:40

Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 06:40
A flouro ( or 2) won't light up more than about 10 - 12m radius with much light. 40 - 50m radius is a big area.

I have a HID work lamp which I put on the top of a long tent pole that clips onto my roof rack. The higher the better. It lights up the sort of area you are looking at, like daylight. You can make it by buying a H3 worklight then doing a HID upgrade on it. ( like driving lights), or there is usually one on ebay for about $180.

I only use it when a group is setting up at night or sometimes at meal time when we go with a large group of people as it is very bright but you lose the camping atmosphere.

Downside is that it draws 3.5A which means that you would get about 14 hours out of a 100AH battery. But then again if you really do want to light that area then you would need 5 -6 flouros at least and it would be worse. You are asking for a lot of light.
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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 06:43

Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 06:43
The ebay one I was thinking of is $195

HID work lamp
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Reply By: Mandrake's Solar Power- Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 07:06

Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 07:06
I use one of these 91 LED BL109B from this mob
Scroll down to BL109B or W

Ot has a rubber outer cover ( waterproof ) and drop-proof -Lights up my annex area 2m X 3.5m quite well - draws .48 Amps so 2 of these would do you with a 100aH AGM should last the 3 days you require ..

Rgds

Mandrake
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Follow Up By: Mandrake's Solar Power- Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 07:07

Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 07:07
Oops - its the BL106 B or W
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Follow Up By: Mandrake's Solar Power- Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 07:09

Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 07:09
Really got to wake up before posting eh !! Its really the BL191 B or W - LOL

Sorry - need coffee

Mandrake
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 07:25

Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 07:25
You are already aware of the Blue Apple Thumper and I can state by personal experience that they are a worthwhile investment.

A 75Ah unit is a good choice for a multitude of applications. Anything bigger and they become difficult to handle as they are quite heavy.
This size Thumper is available in two styles. The cheaper one doesn't have "jump start" capability, but if you are investing a considerable amount in a premium battery pack, the addition of jump start capability would be a wise choice.
These units also come with an in-car charging kit so you can recharge the pack from your vehicle if necessary.

As for a suitable light, I wouldn't go past one or the other of the following two lamps.

Verslite Fluro - 12 volt DC - 1 amp draw. Also available as Piranha brand but is the same light.
Verslite available from most major camping stores or from the ExplorOz Shop.
Piranha available from TJM stores Country wide.

Evakool Torpedo 12 volt DC - 0.45 amp draw.

Versalite also have released an LED version of there product using the same casing but I have not used one and not sure of the amount of light emitted.

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Reply By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 07:28

Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 07:28
We have spent many a night around the camp with 12v 11w fluro's from piranha.
Roachie has a small 7ah battery, and usually lasts to the stayers of the fire b4 it dies. Think from memory they draw about 0.9 - 1. amps.
I suggest a couple of these 11w fluro light would take the dark out of the camp, and a 100AH deep cycle car battery fully charged, would give you 4-5 nights of light with sensible use without charging.
The laptop will kill it in no time, so if you are going to use it for anything other than the suggested lighting, you will need some means of charging it.
Much much cheaper to buy battery power in car battery size and put it in a proper battery box than to buy battery packs.
Out of 10 tents, no one has acess to a quiet genny you can run for a few hours during the day with a large charger, 20 - 25 amp?

Pesty
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Reply By: CodMaster - Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 14:30

Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 14:30
Thank you all for the valuable input! You guys are so helpful.
So this is what I have in mind…

Battery box: Based on everyone’s opinion I’ve opted for TerraFirma’s battery box idea, I’ll need to get a big battery box and dump the highest AH rating AGM battery that can fit (and that I can afford!) into it. I’m guessing around 100AH but the more the better, in cases of extended trips. The box will need a cigarette socket (what’s the proper name for those?) so I can run a small inverter that I have for the laptop or the adapter specified by ABR – Sidewinder.

Accessories: ABR – Sidewinder’s charger and outlet board. It would be perfect for multiple lights.

Light: Mainey’s lights look like what I’m after. Looks sturdy and the bulbs are replaceable. 2 or 3 of those would do just fine. Problem is:
1) Where can I buy it? (checked ebay already, any stores I can visit?)
2) Ofcourse... price, how much do they go for?
3) The photo shows a 240v mains plug. I have an in-car inverter that can do 120w (for the laptop), but I was hoping I wouldn’t have to use it for lighting purposes. Mainey suggests to change the fitting to attach it to the AGM battery, how would I go about doing this?

I might pop into some outdoor stores this weekend and look for some of these Versalite/Piranha fluros too.

Other thoughts...
- Boobook2’s HID idea would indeed be overkill. I know you must be thinking I’m being finicky. Also the battery consumption rate is a little too high. I think I may have exaggerated the lighting radius, but on those dark moonless nights, even a little light can go so far.
- People have suggested LED lamps. From my experience, there are dodgy LED lamps that use cheap/low quality emitters that don’t do the job and others that use much brighter/powerful emitters but often have heat issues due to prolonged usage. I’m going with the safer bet with the 360/180deg illuminating fluorescents.
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Follow Up By: Member - Sigmund (VIC) - Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 18:16

Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 18:16
Mainey's lights look like Arlec work lights. Sold for 240v so you need to put 12 plugs on them.

And when I went for the 11w compact fluoros to put in mine they were 30 freaking dollars each at Middys.
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Follow Up By: CodMaster - Saturday, Nov 07, 2009 at 14:30

Saturday, Nov 07, 2009 at 14:30
Thanks for that Ern, could you please explain how to convert the plug from 240v to 12v. The only way i see it working properly is if i put it through an inverter. I don't think cutting the cable and attaching a 12v cig. plug on the end will work..... will it?
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Follow Up By: Member - Sigmund (VIC) - Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 06:37

Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 06:37
Yes it does. The 11w compact fluoros are 12V units - should have made that clear.
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Reply By: Member - Lia H (SA) - Monday, Nov 09, 2009 at 10:43

Monday, Nov 09, 2009 at 10:43
HI, thanks for putting this up, I am looking into all power options at the moment as well.

Can someone please explain in girl terms (sorry to the many very competent lasses out there when it comes to power terms, but I'm not one of them!!) the smart charger?

We have a hilux, and are putting a spare 100ah battery underneath the hood. If we got another spare battery, is there a system that will recharge them without alot of driving? We are looking at moving to an area for a few months work and then moving to another area, so there won't be LOTS of daily drivinng, moreso the trip to whereever the worksite is and back and maybe some errands.

We have a three way fridge, so I'd say we'd run that on gas. We will get a few lights for night, but other than that, it's just the laptop, which I have calculated to be about 30-40 ah a day, if I use it for about 5 hours a day (home schooling).

With a smart charger, where is it hooked up to and going to...does the car need to be running, and all of the threads ive seen say, you could charge it in XYZZ driving hours - if you have several stints of driving a day but no big ones - will they accumulate?

Thanks alot.

Lia
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Tuesday, Nov 10, 2009 at 00:37

Tuesday, Nov 10, 2009 at 00:37
Lia,
in easy to understand girly terms the "smart charger" has to obtain "12v power" from somewhere else to put it into the battery your using, to stop it getting discharged too low.

I believe the most efficient and cost effective method is solar power, but yes I'm biased

Maîneÿ . . .
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