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Heading to Cape York mid June looking at buying an engel I have a deep cycle battery can some one tell me if I was camped how long will it last before its dead or should I also get a solar blanket.
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Reply By: Member - mark D18 - Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 17:57

Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 17:57
John.
If your driving everyday you should be fine. The trouble will be if you camp for any more than 2 days using it as a fridge only you will néed solar and 200 watt would be about the right size for a one battery setup. Blanket or panels would be fine. There are so many variables, you will get a lot of different options from the forum and your head will be spinning with all the info.
Just keep it as simple as possible.


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Reply By: RMD - Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 17:58

Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 17:58
John
Not enough basic information of intended use supplied to us. More is better.
The fridge, ifnew, will have an internal fan to cool the condenser. That helps.
What size Engel? depending on size, they draw varying amounts when running.
What sized battery do you have?
What is it's condition, new or used, that equates to different amounts of stored charge regarding size and condition of battery.
Is the fridge to be run as a fridge, ie around 4 degrees or colder OR as a freezer eve colder still and much more use of battery.
If only in 30 degree days in shade, then the Engel will use a certain mount of power.
If used in a vehicle on 30 degree days inside a vehicle is 40 ++ or more inside, and the poor Engel will be running full time and constantly using battery. Flat plenty quick.
If camped you can insulate the fridge from heat by covering it with a sleeping bag, only the box bit not the working bits and vent areas. That will slow down absorbed heat even with a proprietary fridge cover fitted.
My Old grey Engel will run as a fridge for around 1 1/2 to nearly 2 days without ruining a 105 ah AGM battery by discharging too far. If the battery gets down to 12v then nearly all it's so called rated capacity is depleted. You DO NOT want the battery to ever get flattened to dead, it will kill it, then it will have almost no capacity or is just dead.

The cape isn't a two day trip, so how do you propose to recharge the AGM deep cycle battery? That should seriously be considered,
A vehicle will bulk charge, ie major amount in a relatively short time and the solar panel and regulator will assist/maintain if of sufficient size and amp output. The panel ratings of amps sound impressive but you would need twice the solar amp energy to be realistic. ie, only believe it puts out half of what it claims.
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Reply By: IvanTheTerrible - Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 18:09

Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 18:09
We have a 75L Evacool and we get 4 to 5 days out of our 80AH battery using it as a fridge set to 0 degrees on both compartments
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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 18:21

Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 18:21
We dont have solar even though we will be getting it and I recommend it. Will come in handy if we ever get stuck in a remote location for more than 5 days which is always possible.
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Follow Up By: Member - mark D18 - Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 19:41

Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 19:41
Ivan
Can you please tell me where you buy your batteries, I need one of those.
I get about 2 days set at 3 degrees with a quality 105 amp hour battery and a well recognised 40 litre power friendly fridge.
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Follow Up By: IvanTheTerrible - Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 19:53

Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 19:53
Weird. We fitted a dual battery system to a new Hilux just before Christmas. 100ah Bond battery running a huge 80L Waeco set to 0 in the rear tub sealed with a hardtop. The fridge was capable of pulling 8 amps when the compressor kicked in and we got three days out of it before the customer picked it up. Ive never got less than 3 days out of a 80 -100AH battery except one customer that ran his at -5.
I'd be checking the lines to the fridge and maybe check the current draw and how often the fridge is running.
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Follow Up By: qldcamper - Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 19:55

Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 19:55
Good on ya Ivan. Short sweet and REAL. Not an armchair experts parrot post that forums these days are full of.

People these days are too scared to flatten their batteries in fear of irrepairable damage the first time because of forum experts.
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Follow Up By: Member - mark D18 - Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 20:20

Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 20:20
qldcamper.

That's a great help to John who was seeking information.

Well done.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 20:26

Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 20:26
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Ahhh........ just the thing to send the Old Year out.... a battery thread. LOL

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Follow Up By: Member - mark D18 - Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 21:05

Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 21:05
Come on Allan, you normally have the best concept of the magical 12 volt thingy.
One last fling for 18. Lol
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 22:08

Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 22:08
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Well OK Mark, here goes..............

C'mon Ivan, you said it yourself, you got 3 days out of a customer's "huge 80 litre Waeco set to 0 degrees". I can believe that as it was a Waeco after all..... the best fridge ever produced.
But only 4 days out of your own 75 litre Evakool ??? Just goes to show what poor performers those Evakools are, eh? Pure rubbish in my book! Almost as bad as Engels! If I were you I'd dump it and get a Waeco soon as BCF opens on Wednesday. Your magic 80 clicks battery would surely get you a week or so of ice cold lemonade. lol
How's that Mark? Certain to keep it going until the Fat Lady sings Auld Lang Syne.

Damn, I missed the early fireworks while mucking' about here!!!

John, don't believe a word of this malarkey, Mark was on the money.

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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Tuesday, Jan 01, 2019 at 06:39

Tuesday, Jan 01, 2019 at 06:39
Alan, went down to Antarctica for a leisurely sail and swim. During the 2 weeks down there the evakool 75 set at zero degrees didn't use anything out of the battery at all.

I guess what Alan was saying is there are so many variables that knowing what a fridge draws over a period is impossible to work out. Temperature, set temperature, amount of times fridge is opened, where the fridge is in the vehicle and whether it gets sun on it.

John, get yourself a 12v inline power meter/ data logger and you can see what your fridge is drawing, but more importantly how many amp/hours it has consumed out of the battery over a set time. Definitely a solar blanket is worth it when camped.

Don't believe Alan about the best fridge, here is the best fridge but you will need a long lead. I saw it working a couple of years ago and you couldn't even hear it running. It will now have run for 70 years.

1947 Kelvinator Fridge




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Follow Up By: Member - nickb "boab" - Tuesday, Jan 01, 2019 at 10:18

Tuesday, Jan 01, 2019 at 10:18
Hahaha just checked the calendar to see if it was the 1st of January 2019 or the 1st of April ?? LOL. :)))

Engels are either a clever marketing ploy or a fridge that "some people" keep going back to cos they are good value @@
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Follow Up By: Member - Outback Gazz - Tuesday, Jan 01, 2019 at 10:31

Tuesday, Jan 01, 2019 at 10:31
"1947 Kelvinator Fridge"

Lol Eagle - my Grandmother bought one of those brand new and it ran 24/7 for nearly 50 years before its first and only minor breakdown and that's when my Grandmother with her acute german accent said angrily -

" agh - zey don't make zings like zey used to "

It was fixed easily and ended up mine after she passed away and was a beer fridge in my shed until last year, well actually the year before now, when all the plastic lugs that hold the shelves broke and it went to the tip - that's when I needed four blokes the size of Dwayne Johnson to lift it on my trailer !!

Have a good year

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Follow Up By: Batt's - Tuesday, Jan 01, 2019 at 11:38

Tuesday, Jan 01, 2019 at 11:38
4 - 5 days out of an Evakool on 0 deg on an 80ah battery what do you run it down to.
My RF47 over the past 14yrs always been an a 105ah battery has only ever been good for 2-3 days running around -1 in freezer section and 1 deg in fridge which is what it runs at on the lowest setting. I would be very interested to see how yours can achieve such unbelievable results on a small battery being open and closed several times a day unless it was snowing.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Sunshine Coast) - Tuesday, Jan 01, 2019 at 14:30

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Well Batt's, it is the time of year for fairy tales and other fantasies. lol
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Tuesday, Jan 01, 2019 at 14:36

Tuesday, Jan 01, 2019 at 14:36
That's funny good stuff, may have been drinking to much eggnog.
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, Jan 02, 2019 at 06:36

Wednesday, Jan 02, 2019 at 06:36
I'm really struggling to understand how a fridge which is rated by the manufacturer as using 1 - 1.5A average at 4 degrees and ambient of 25 can last 4 - 5 days when running at 0 degrees Ivan.

By the most optimistic figures it will draw 96 to 120AH over that period, and probably more like 144 to 180 AH, especially at 0 degrees.

Can you please explain how that works with an 80 AH battery. I honestly can't see how that is possible.

How can that fridge could last more than about 1 1/2 days if you look after the long-term health of the battery, or about 2 - 2 1/2 days if you let it run till the battery was too flat to run it any more.

Unless there was solar, the engine was running or as others have suggested it's in the Antarctic.

I'd be interested to see how this can be done for me and the OP's sake. My National Luna uses quite a bit less power than that fridge, and I plan to get 2 days maximum out of a 100AH battery. Once I let the battery go flat and it lasted around 3 days before the battery cutout
( set at 11V) kicked in. I use 6B&S cable to the fridge.
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Wednesday, Jan 02, 2019 at 17:04

Wednesday, Jan 02, 2019 at 17:04
Boobook I'm also waiting for Ivan to supply more info on how this was achieved. I would also like to know which Evakool fridge it was as they sell a lot of different types theses days and if it's that good on power I might have to up grade.
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Reply By: mechpete - Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 18:16

Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 18:16
yes you will need a solar panel
ihave a 120w panel and its fine for the fridge
I have a 65w panel an it covers my 40lt engel an LED lights ,
sat for 5 days at finke an never had a problem
cheers mechpete
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Reply By: Iza B - Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 20:56

Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 20:56
I ran a 40 litre Engel for years off a 85 AH deep cycle battery kept up with two nominal 36 Watt panels. Kept the beer cold for 3 days parked up in daily 42 C at Menindi Lakes. Swing motor draws 2.5 Amps when running. I have had no issues working on getting 2 full days out of a fully charged 85 Ah battery without recharge. I often get an extra day by running it off the start battery overnight. No problems and I do have a Li Ion jump pack for emergencies.

I see you intend to go in June so temps will be reasonable, but do recommend a panel. A semi flex 120 W only weighs 2 Kilos.

If buying new, I recommend you seriously consider the model with separate fridge and freezer sections. I am on the verge of giving the current 40 Litre to the grandson and getting the new model. Alcohol intake has lessened lots with age to one big Square Bear per day but so much better with lots of ice.
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Follow Up By: john m85 - Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 21:11

Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 21:11
that's been a great help thanyou
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Reply By: Member - nickb "boab" - Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 22:14

Monday, Dec 31, 2018 at 22:14
John : From my experience in the top end of Australia you're most likely only going to get a day without recharging because of the high temperature even in June , you may get few days down south in the cooler temperatures but Cape York is quite hot . What has worked well for us was removing the fridge from the vehicle when camped up for a few days and keeping it cool as possible out of the sun in a Shady location .
My recommendation would be to have a solar panel and over calculate what you need in power . Buy the biggest one you can afford and pack within reason) better to have too much than not enough .
We have gone to a small 22 litre fridge these days and a good Esky for drinks etc , you can buy ice nearly everywhere these days from our experience even in those remote parts .
Good luck and happy travels
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Reply By: Mick O - Tuesday, Jan 01, 2019 at 07:28

Tuesday, Jan 01, 2019 at 07:28
Happy new year John,

Could I recommend you have a read of this great blog by member John and Val.

It does a long way to explaining the mysteries of DC power and electricity for camping.

Well worth the time to browse through.

Electricity for camping


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trip would doubtless be attended with much hardship.''
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Follow Up By: john m85 - Tuesday, Jan 01, 2019 at 08:52

Tuesday, Jan 01, 2019 at 08:52
thank you that is a lot of info well worth it.
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Reply By: Baz - The Landy - Tuesday, Jan 01, 2019 at 11:31

Tuesday, Jan 01, 2019 at 11:31
Hi John

We have a 60-litre Engel powered by 2x120W solar panels on the canopy roof and a 150ah slim line battery.

The Engel has been running continuously for 13 years now in this configuration set at zero...

Now everyone may not have a canopy to attach the panels, but just take portable panels. If your budget is reasonably generous you can find some very compact panels that store easily and deploy just as easily.

There are plenty of things to occupy your time when touring, sort out power generation before you go and it becomes one less ‘chore’ to grab your attention each day.

Besides, for me there is way too much stress in telling Mrs Landy that her favourite bottle of Chardonnay isn’t chilled to her liking as she takes her seat around the camp fire as the sun slides below the western horizon...!


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Reply By: Les - PK Ranger - Wednesday, Jan 02, 2019 at 09:04

Wednesday, Jan 02, 2019 at 09:04
You don't say if the AGM is main or if a 2nd battery, assume 2nd battery setup, hopefully charging via VSR and decent cable ??

If so, yes a good solar will manage a few days camping, MAYBE more if you don't drive anywhere in that time . . . unlikely as you should be out on short day drives at some time.

I have 2 SCA folding solar blankets, Ridge Ryder, a 100w and a 150w.
The 100w is ultra compact, and covers the windscreen well to both block sun from cab, and gather good arvo camp sun (or morning if set up that way too).

Here is the link to the 100w . . .
SCA 100w solar folding

I would recommend going the 150w though, it's currently only a little more than the 100w, and puts out a perfect 50% more amps, as I've tested both side by side.
The 150w . . .
SCA 150w solar folding

The 100w panel puts out 6 amps in full sun, 2- 3 amps in almost total light grey cloud cover.
The 150w panel provides 9 amps full sun, 5 amps in same cloud cover above.

My Techniice fridge draws avg 1.48 amps per hr, so if I camp in good sunny conditions, either would keep me going quite well, though I generally tour, or at least drive a fair way daily and the car charging does the job well then, no extra solar required for 3pm - 10am fridge and leds overnight.

Have fun up there.
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Follow Up By: john m85 - Wednesday, Jan 02, 2019 at 09:34

Wednesday, Jan 02, 2019 at 09:34
thanks I will look into the 150w
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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Wednesday, Jan 02, 2019 at 17:45

Wednesday, Jan 02, 2019 at 17:45
John, I have one of the ridge ryder 150w blankets and it has been very good, the only change I made is to buy a Victron Solar Charge Controller - BlueSolar MPPT 75/15 (12/24v-15A) as the one supplied isn't that flash and a bit prone to failure. I paid $115 for it delivered.

If your not in a hurry to buy the solar blanket try and wait till Supercheap has them on special.
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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Wednesday, Jan 02, 2019 at 20:36

Wednesday, Jan 02, 2019 at 20:36
The 150w panel is on special now, as per link posted.

I will change to a mppt one day when I need to use solar more.
At the moment I may use it if camping early pm, just to keep the battery soc well over 80% when ready to depart next morning.

I have got spare pwm controllers for both the 100w and 150w panels, the controllers are rated 10amps and 15amps respectively, and are only a touch over $20 cost, so worth carrying a spare for either on a trip.

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Follow Up By: Member - nickb "boab" - Thursday, Jan 03, 2019 at 07:33

Thursday, Jan 03, 2019 at 07:33
Les : where do you get your regulators for $20 that sounds awful cheap I think I'm paying $60 ?
Are they a eBay Chinese job ?

Eagle : How do those victron regulators compared with the Redarc etc , $ , pros and cons ? Where did you buy your Reg from ?
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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Thursday, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:43

Thursday, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:43
Nick, they were the same as supplied on the 100 and 150 watt panels I have purchased in the past few years.

I just tried to find a link, and looks like they are now replaced with a new type, as I just spotted in the links I posted above.

The ones I have look the same as in this link, a product that is being cleared . . .
SCA 45w solar to clear

Just in case link goes down, i snipped the pic . . .

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Follow Up By: Les - PK Ranger - Thursday, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:51

Thursday, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:51
Just noticed in the 100w panel link on the SCA site, it still has this pic of old controller . . .

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Follow Up By: 9900Eagle - Thursday, Jan 03, 2019 at 10:59

Thursday, Jan 03, 2019 at 10:59
Nick, can't remember where I bought it but I just had a look and outback marine have them for $101 delivered. Store link

Couldn't tell you how they compare with a redarc controller but they are a quality product. I have an anderson plug on my vehicle and side of my van so the controller plugs into those points depending which battery I want to charge, the plugs are mounted less than a metre to the batteries to get the best charge I can.

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Follow Up By: Member - nickb "boab" - Monday, Jan 07, 2019 at 07:36

Monday, Jan 07, 2019 at 07:36
Les : thanks for that tip on the regulators picked up one on the weekend from Supercheap $35 a good saving over the projector at $60 odd both made in China . Cooked the old one leaving it out in the paddock didn't like the rain lol .
Had a look at the solar blankets as well when i was there , they look like a pretty good unit aswel , pack away easily . have to put one of them on the bucket list . Thanks eagle aswel .
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