Nissan Patrol Fuel Consumption

Submitted: Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 08:39
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I have a 3.0 ltr series 2 diesel auto (rom new) and I am wondering what fuel consumption I should be getting around town. I was getting approximately 650 km from the main tank (now is approx 600km). Is this normal?? I have recently installed 2 Hiclones (one before intercooler and one before turbo) and wondering if this has affected the present fuel consumption.

Regards
Peter
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Reply By: Flash - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 10:28

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 10:28
Hiclone before the turbo?
Are you serious? (Gobsmacked!!) The turbo spins the airflow at many thousands of revs per minute.
I very strongly suggest you remove the Hiclones ASAP.

Nissan would probably deny any warranty claim and IMHO rightfully so. The Hiclones, apart from adding a restriction to airflow, are possibly upsetting airflow measurement sensing etc.

Hiclones are very likely the biggest con ever sold to the unsuspecting public. There is a remote, no very remote possibility they could help on some normally aspirated vehicles- but a turbo- "Tell 'im 'e's dreamin'! "
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 11:43

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 11:43
Never a truer word spoken Flash.

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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 15:09

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 15:09
Couldn't agree more Flash and Ken..... ditch the Lo-Clones
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Reply By: PeterV - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 10:54

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 10:54
Dear Flash.

Thanks for your reply. Even though I believe there has been a noticable increase in power I am uncomfoortable with the fuel economy I am now getting (warranty claims aside). I will probably get a snorkel & remove the hiclones (money back guarantee). Any other ways to improve economy

Peter
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 11:49

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 11:49
Peter V

Mate, I had a set of Hi-clones in a 1HZ before and after fitting a turbo.

Pulled them out as they are a restriction where the turbo is concerned and all is now good. They were totally useless and a waste of my money.

I offered them free to anyone who wanted them, and some dude up around McKay pestered me for them, so I packaged them up and sent them to him.

Guess what, I have never heard a 'dickie bird ' from him as to how good or bad they were. I think he is too embarrased to admit using them.

Regards

Ken Robinson
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Follow Up By: PeterV - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 14:02

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 14:02
Thanks Ken,

I'm convinced that the hiclones have to go; I've already spoken to the installer last Friday & he is happy to take them out and give me my money back as I've only had them in 3 for weeks. These resposes have confirmed what I was concerned about.

Question. If I take the hiclones out will this affect the sensor controlling/sensing the air flow & will economy return to pre-Hiclone readings?

Regards
Peter V
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Reply By: KP - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 11:48

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 11:48
I had a 2001 3.0ltr td auto nissan and I went from Newcastle to the Gold Coast on 3/4 of the main tank carrying family of 6 plus luggage I never worked out the actual MPG I think it is around 750klm to gold coast. I now have a 2003 model 3.0ltr auto ST-L (50,000klms) and I am getting just as good fuel economy from it I recently done a trip from newcastle to Dubbo towing a 17'6 jayco pop top around 1700kg and useed half a tank of fuel on the way (main Tank) I think it is hard to beat the economy that you can get out of the 3.0lt considering the weight of vehicle etc. I would be taking the hiclones out and get your nissan dealer to check it out.

Regards
Ken
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Follow Up By: PeterV - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 14:07

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 14:07
Thanks Ken,

Sounds like your're getting the fuel economy I'm after. I'll take the advice from you and others and remove the Hiclones tomorrow.

Regards

Peter
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Follow Up By: PeterV - Sunday, Oct 24, 2004 at 08:17

Sunday, Oct 24, 2004 at 08:17
Dear Ken,

As a followup question, what consumption are you getting around town. I'm getting about 600km per 75 litres (12.5 litres/100 km); I'm running Cooper Discovery A/T tyres.

On the Hiclone matter, I got them removed last week; what is to be gained by telling Nissan I had them installed? will they have to "reset" the factory settings??

Regards

Peter
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 15:22

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 15:22
G'day Peter,
This is strictly relevant I guess, but an interesting observation in any case.....
We recently did a 4 week trip to Cape York. My mate drives a 2000 3litre Patrol and mine is a 4.2 t/d.
I expected him to continue to get better economy on the trip as he usually uses about 13litres/100 klm and my normal usage is about 15.5 l/100klm. I have a full time full length roof rack. We were both towing camper trailers of about the same weight. He has no roof rack (enemy of fuel consumption!!!).
Each time we filled up, we were within a bee's d!ck of having used the same amount of fuel. I was pleaseantly surprised. However, this more because Pud's economy seemed to go out the window when towing, not that mine was all that brilliant. Should note too, that Pud's Patrol is automatic.
For the record, I used 1,539.48 litres of diesel over 8,497Klm (GPS corrected) which equates to 18.12 litres/100klm or 5.25klm/litre.
Cheers,
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Follow Up By: PeterV - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 15:58

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 15:58
Dear Roachie,

Thanks for the info mate. You have done exactly what my bride and I wish to do within the next 5 years; tow a camper trailer across the north of Oz. Mate, any info on highlights, problems etc would be greatly appreciated. I have a 3/4 roof rack so I'm anticipating some negatives regarding fuel usage.

Thanks Mate

Regards
Peter V
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Follow Up By: Member - AndrewPatrol - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 16:07

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 16:07
Roachie,
I have an auto 3lt also and I suspect when under a load such as towing etc. the tranny spends more time going between convertor locked (LUGGING) and 4th gear-convertor slippng (higher consumption) therefore the overall will be worse. I think the only way to get reasonable mileage is with a lightly loaded vehicle or go real slow.
My opinion only. FWIW
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Follow Up By: schevchenko - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 18:43

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 18:43
or get a manual
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Follow Up By: Flash - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 11:18

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 11:18
They say in an auto you should not use the overdrive when towing....
Sounds reasonable.......
Most manuals are the same, though my GQ diesel has always towed in 5th and no problem.
Very few gearboxes can tolerate continual 5th gear for towing.
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Follow Up By: Bob H - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 15:02

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 15:02
Roachie,

Cant argue with your GPS figures but i think that your fuel consumption is woeful.a few months ago i towed a 16ft poptop van from Laidley to MonRepo (Bundaberg) and did a lot of driving around. Then towed van to Harvy Bayalso did more driving around. some of this towing was at 100kph. (most, actually). admittedly, no 4wd though. my point, my 80 series returned 22-24mpg. eg, 11.8 to 12.5 L/100km. I realize that my milage was only from the speedo and not a gps and therefore could be out a bit but i hope not to the extent of only getting 15mpg.

Bob
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Follow Up By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Sunday, Oct 24, 2004 at 08:57

Sunday, Oct 24, 2004 at 08:57
It's a while since we've towed with an auto (and it was a Toyota Cressida 3.0L sedan, not a 4WD) but I always made sure the converter was in 'lock-up' when cruising. Usually we towed in 3rd (Overdrive off) but when conditions were favourable (tail wind), it would lock in 4th (OD on).
You can see on the tacho when it locks - the rpm drops a hundred or so while the speed remains constant. You can also tell if you're in 'lock-up' when cruising: very gentle apply a little more throttle - if the tacho needle immediately moves up before the speed changes, it's not locked; if both needles move slowly together (like a manual), the converter is locked.
This not only improves economy but helps to keep the transmission fluid temperature lower. When the converter is slipping, energy is being put into the fluid, heating it up. This heat has to be removed by the oil cooler in the radiator, adding load to the engine cooling system - all things that it is good to avoid.
As you might imagine, I'm pretty interested in all sorts of operating temperatures and I fitted a simple bulb/capillary coolant temperature gauge into a tee-piece in the transmission oil cooler return line. The difference running locked Vs unlocked was quite noticeable.
Also used the gauge to good effect to monitor fluid temp when towing up mountain ranges. Bellingen to Dorrigo comes to mind (sp), where we pulled over part way up and let the fluid cool for a while after the temp approached 130 C. Just as EGT is a killer of turbos, excessive fluid temperature kills autos.
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Follow Up By: Flash - Monday, Oct 25, 2004 at 08:57

Monday, Oct 25, 2004 at 08:57
Agree with that Ian.
There is no bigger killer of autos than high temps- and not changing the fluid. It deteorates much quicker when it regularly runs hot.

We have recently put a small thermatic fan (manual switch) on his tranny cooler-if you think about it your transmission will usually run hottest up hills ie:low speed and therefore poor cooling airflow.
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Reply By: Member - Andrew (Bris) - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 18:03

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 18:03
Have had my Patrol since new in November 2002. 3.0l TD Auto, roofbars, never tow, 285/75/65 and snorkel, always carrying max weights for work, 90000km came up today. All these things are detrimental to economy. Have been getting consistently 700 -750 km on 90 litres. Only deteriorates in soft sand.
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Follow Up By: PeterV - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 18:21

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 18:21
Dear Andrew,

Thanks mate; I bought mine in Jul 02 in Brisbane and used to get similar mileages. When I remove the Hiclones I hope to get the same.

Regards
Peter
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 15:53

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 15:53
285/75/65's, man, no wonder your economy is down!!! ;-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (Bris) - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 18:51

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 18:51
That should have been 285/75/16.
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris M (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 18:51

Tuesday, Oct 19, 2004 at 18:51
Thought so!

Happy with the beast so far mate?
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Reply By: andysgu - Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 21:24

Sunday, Oct 17, 2004 at 21:24
Hi Peter
Have you checked your air filter recently if its one of the origanal red nissan filters its probly clogged up even after 5000 ks around town .Its impossible to clean because the dust sticks to the oil . Nissan make a yellow version which you can tap the dust out of.
Andy.
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Follow Up By: PeterV - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 06:31

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 06:31
Dear Andy,

No mate I haven't as I've had a scheduled service 5000 km ago, I didn'tknow about the different types of air filters.

Thanks again

Regards

Peter
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Follow Up By: Member - AndrewPatrol - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 16:04

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 16:04
Didnt know about the different filters. How do you specify which one to ask for? Is it from a different model? Warrantee??????????????????
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Reply By: andysgu - Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 20:36

Monday, Oct 18, 2004 at 20:36
I dont't think there is much differance from a series 2 3.0 ltr to a 3 as far as the air filter housing goes . Its a genuie Nissan part it seems they keep it a secret the part number is 16546-VB600 .
Andy.
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