Caravan parks and <span class="highlight">dogs</span>

Thats a horrible sight to see your dog getting attacked! especially by two dogs! I feel bad about it but i laid the boot into the other dog a few times cos he just wouldnt let go, fortunately our dog came off unscathed but I was very angry at the other owner for his lack of responsibility! My dog finished his bone in the end! ha ha

Its amaizing as we go through this we still feel bad about using force, you boot me a spade. No choice

We had this sort of wandering dog problem in Birdsville Caravan Park. My dog is little and quite well trained and socialised but a bit snappy if she considers herself cornered, so I wasn't as "Oh, isn't he cute" as the other folk at the dog that wandered around.
He was much bigger (which isn't hard!) but probably more placid and, yeh...you just know that you'll be the one to cop it, even when you're in the right.
People are too quick to say "Oh, he wouldn't hurt a fly". Maybe not, but how does the other dog feel? My dog hates bouncy pups and big, unfamiliar dogs (poor thing probably thinks she's going to get stepped on!) and will snarl and snap. Even though she would surely come off second best, I couldn't promise that the owner would come off very well after I'd finished with them!!!
Moral...PLEASE follow the rules and restrain your dog.
Make it pleasant for all campers. Remember...no-one thinks your dog is as great as you think it is!
:)

We were at Julia Creek Caravan Park & a dog came on to our site & crapped about a metre from our camper door, I grabbed my dog's lead & took it over to the office to say it was wandering & had fouled our site, the owner replied, "oh, that's my dog!". No offer to come & clean up it's mess. BTW my dog was tied up as always at c/van parks.

Robin R4
Snarling and snappy dogs are not well socialised or well trained,
and should be tethered at all times,

just because they are small, does not exclude them from savage dog status, and should be treated as such.( as you do well done)

If a large dog acted like that, it would be put down,
I can't see why size matters.

Cheers Ken

A very wise Farmer there Old Girl. That is the policy we apply around here also. If they cannot stay at their place then they go to doggy heaven. No beg pardons.

When you have seen an animal mauled to death and partially eaten, probably while still alive it sure hardens your perspective on these so called domesticated animals.

Dogs are great but must be kept in their place. Or else.
I used to have a beautiful Blue Healer bitch which I loved to bits so I am not a dog hater by any means. But I do know the mischeif they can get up to if left to their own devices. They are after all, hunters.

Don't get me started on dingoes.

Cheers, Bruce.

The subject of dogs is a complex and touchy one that does become very emotive. I have had big dogs, now a small dog and live in a rural area and seen how roaming dogs bring out the best and worst in people.
We have a small jack russell cross that unfortunately when young was attacked by a larger dog, the episode does mean that she is wary around other dogs. Just as Robyn said mine also hates strange dogs, mainly out of fear not malice, and will try to slink away first until cornered. She is a very well socialised, well trained but unfortunately she growls from that bad experience. It doesn’t mean she will do anything.
I also live in a rural area and have experienced first hand the worse that it can bring out in people. The attitude of "I live in the country, therefore I can have a gun, and if I see any dog on my property I will shoot it“ frankly offends me. In many instances I have seen this exhibited from people that don’t even have stock.
Close friends lost their family pets to this mentality. They had escaped, this particular person caught them took them home and shot them. His only justification because they were loose. Had they killed anything, no, because no one had reported any losses.Dogs can get out for any multitude of reasons not just to kill. Our previous kelpie and shepherd were terrified of lightning and shooting. They would run away, most of the neighbours knew them and either rang us or brought them home later. We have had other people’s dog roll up in similar circumstances and the last thing I will do is shoot indiscriminately.
I can understand shooting if caught in the act or acting savagely on your land. There are criminal and civil legal issues also come into play with this matter as well and the best method in my view is if they can be caught is let the shire or council handle it. They have a process and If they need to put the animal down they will do it humanely as well.
As i said at the start it is an emotive subject and I hope that I haven’t offended any one with my view.

Every one has their own thoughts. Mine were different until i was faced with our kelpie/heeler being almost torn in half. Now he is on edge all the time poor old bugger. He wasnt doing anything but having a snooze when they walked on in.

Alan mate the subject of dogs is very simple...in practice and in law.

Its either on a lead or behind a fence......if it is not it IS NOT UNDER CONTROL.

EVERY dog must be considered dangerous, becaue EVERY dog will bite or otherwise cause problems if presented with the correct motivation.

If you can not keep your dog 100% under control at all times that is your problem and your dog's misfortune.

If your dog goes onto a farmers property and is shot....that is 100% your fault.

With the regular problems with wild dogs and uncontrolled domestic dogs that can cost the farmer in immediate and real terms, the response to shoot all unknown dogs seen is very reasonable.

Consider that the farmers own dogs will probably be tied up when not working, and therefore at a distinct disadvantage to a free roaming dog causing trouble.
and that farmers dog will be worth thousands of dollars to him in real value as a working dog and can not be quickly replaced.

Yes I have kept and lived with dogs.

I been bitten, have seen people bitten and various animals killed and mutilated by roaming dogs.

I was there when my niece, a big girl in her 30's who knows what she is doing arround dogs, keeps dogs and has lived with working dogs, was bitten and hospitalised by a playfull bite from a stupid (no seriously stupid) dog ( not any of ours) that intended no harm...she now bares the scars
I am just glad it was not a child that was biten, a small child would have been maimed for life.


Sorry absoluty no sympathy for uncontrolled or roaming dogs or their owners.

There is far too much pussy & puppy thinking.

cheers

I think you missed the point of my post, or maybe I wasn't clear about it. I don't advocate letting dogs roam.
I just dont like the attitude exhibit by people to shoot first - ask questions later. Not that I am accusing people here of that.
There are laws on the topic, and I know our ones here prohibit this practice. You can shoot if they are caught in the act. Roaming dogs is a reportable offence and should be reported to the council.
In the case I used as an example the farmer found the animals and then took them back to his property to shoot them.
You mention that farmers dogs will be tied up when not working. In some cases that is correct, often that is because they need to be as they have never been socialised being working dogs. Quite often they are considered just as normal pets as well, and are part of the family.
And I have had several instances over the years where peoples including farmers dogs have turned up on my back door. We just leash them and if we know where they come from ring the owner or otherwise the shire.
As I said earlier, it is an emotive subject.
I think the only thing we differ on is how the situation is handled.

The farmer next to us would not shoot to kill,(domestic dogs)
shoot them in the belly and send them home,
that way the vet bills hurt the owner

This is part of what i mean about bringing the worst out in people. As a prevention against animal cruelty, and the use of mauling of stock and the cruety of it, he is prepared to do the same thing himself. I wonder how many dogs make it home and how many die a painful death.

The reality is that you have bugger all chance of catching a roaming dog, even less chance of identifying the owner ( collar tags and microchips......yeh right) and as for the legal system having any meaningfull effect.....yeh right.

Mean while livestock continues to be bothered, killed or maimed.

We had a problem with a group of roaming dogs ( all different owners) arround here a few years ago......we had the council deliver a dog trap...over two weeks we caught nothing......but word got arround and the problem stopped.

The problem is the the majority of dog owners are lazy, ignorant and fail to adequately controll their animals.......you heard what I said.............and will argue black and blue that what they are doing is fine........and their puppy is a problem to no one.......pussy & puppy thinking or worse.
YEH or worse they know damn well their dog is a problem and continue to fail in their responsibility.

Unless faced with immediate consequences they continue to do nothing.

If you have a good steady aim.....the problem is sorted...hang one or two out like dingoes and the message soon takes effect..and far more efficiently than the empty treat of council fines.

Damn straight many working dogs are not socialised......they are not pets.

cheers

Hi Bantam,

Absolutely agree 150%

If they are not where they belong then they are not under control.

Hi Allan S, fortunately here in NSW our laws are more stringent and side with the farmer if he is forced to resolve someone elses dog problem on his land or if he is asked to assist a neighbour in this regard.

With regard to Old Girls situation the farmer was providing a valuable community service in that instance and should be applauded for it.

We have had too many children adults and animals, mauled and or killed due to irresponsible dog owners.

It will come to pass that we will not be allowed to own a pet if it is of certain breeds or if it is not micro chipped and desexed. And rightly so.

It only takes a few fools to ruin it for the rest of us dog lovers.
Nothing personal intended toward you Allan in that statement.

Yep, this is a vexed issue alright.

Bruce.

You got that right Bruce, it was 7.30 in the morning, local cop sorted it. Council bloke was a couple hours away. So back to the start of this thread no matter where you are dogs can turn. You are not always near a pound. If you cant contain them expect to loose them around my place.
End of story..

"the majority of dog owners are lazy, ignorant and fail to adequately controll their animals.......you heard what I said............."

"Its either on a lead or behind a fence......if it is not it IS NOT UNDER CONTROL."

Here endeth the lesson!
LOL

Damn straight....& its no joke.

cheers

It is exaggerating to say "the majority", as it would be to say the majority of parents fail to control their kids, but plenty seem to expect caravan parks to be baby sitters!

Thats your opinion Bantam.......not necesarily fact. Ive met a hell of a lot of responsibile dog owners over the years and only a hand full of idiots.
And to suggest shooting someones pet and hanging it on the fence so they can see it is pathetic! If someone did that to my dog I would beat them within an inch of their life.....and that is a fact!
Destroying a problem animal is one thing but hanging a persons pet from the fence is absolututely ridiculous........grow up

No it is not opinion it is FACT.

The people who properly care and controll their dogs and other pets are definitely in the minority.

Those that go to obedience classes ( and practice what is taught) or otherwsie spend time training their dog properly are certainly in the minority....if you say it is otherwise.....tell me the persentage that get a discount off their dog regestration for obedience training where offered.

You only have to go where the general public go with their dogs and see how poorly trained and controlled the majority of dogs are.(properly socialised......hell I settle for under controll)

If the dog is not doing exactly as its master says without delay, it is not under control. If it is on a lead and not wakling propery at the masters side, it is not under controll. If it is jumping up, barking or being agressive to other dogs it is not under controll.

If it is bleep or $&%#ing where it wants, when it wants, it is not under controll.

Hell......people have to be told to clean up after their dogs.....hell we have to have fines for failing to carry the equipment to do so.

Letting a dog roam in a rural area is far from pathetic, it is irresponsible and willfully negligent.

If you have had the guts riped out of sheep night after night, finding scattered feathers where there should be chickens and ducks and paid multi hundred dollar vet bills or worse for ya own dogs.

Shooting stray dogs will seem far from pathetic.

If you think you are going to solve you willful negligence, by committing criminal asault on a farmer controlling vermin competely within his rights, you deserve the thumping or the trip to court you are likley to get.

As soon as it is on someone elses property uninvited and uncontrolled it ceases to be a pet, it is now a nusance animal...vermin, just like any other wild dog, fox, feral cat, or half breed dngo.

To be controlled, managed and disposed of however the property owner see fit.

If you are very lucky they might not shoot it.

Any self respecting farmer or grasier that suspected one of their own dogs, of bothering stock would shoot it...without hesitation.

cheers

As you are obviously an expert on the subject, maybe you can tell us the percentage?

The only thing this thread has achieved is to unearth the underlying unpleasantness in some people.

Ya don't have to be an expert, just not blinkered by pussy & puppy thinking.

No doubt it is unpleasnat to have your garden dug up and fouled by roaming dogs day after day.

No doubt it is unpleasnat to find only feathers and blood where there should be chooks and ducks.

No doubt it is unpleasant to open your front door and find ya pet cat dismembered and strewn on ya front step.

No doubt it is umpleasant to have ya small dog mauled or killed at ya feet in a public place.

No doubt it is unpleasnat to spend days in hospital and weeks on antibiotics and bare the scars the rest of your life.

no doubt it is unpleasant to look at your 10 year old daugter and realise she will never be the beautifiull woman she should grow up to be.


No doubt it is unpleasant to be a vet at an animal refuge and kill perfectly healthy dogs day after day, because there is no good homes for them.

All these things are day after day realities and braught on because people fail thru lazyness, carelessness and willfull ignorance to fullfill their responsibilities to society and their pets in care for and control their pets.

The issue of uncontrolled dogs is a very unpleasant business.......a farmer or grasier shooting a dog on his own land in a rural context pails into insignificance, to what happens every day.

And is a lesser evil than may occur if he fails to manage the vermin comming onto his land.

Dog owners generally need to wake up to themselves and realsie that other people should not be expected to put up wilth the consequences of them failing to properly controll their pets.

AND NO I am not a dog hater.
A properly cared for, trained and controlled dog is a beautifull thing.

cheers

Ok.........
Who says every dog that doesnt go to obedience classes is out of control? Just because YOU say so doesnt make that a fact. Some people have the brains to bring up their own pets without haveing to go to classes.......common sense, we used to call it. If you need a course or lesson to acheive everything in your life it may not be the rest of the world that has a problem? So your facts are based on irrelevant stats.

Yes, I have lost 3 sheep this week to uncontrolled dogs and yes it or they will get a lead pill when I catch them, but will I hang them on a fence for everyone to see.....NO.....that in my eyes is pathetic.

As for the rest of the dribble about bashing farmers, dismembered cats, mauled dogs, antibiotics, scared daughters and my roaming dog???????? Take a pill.........this post was about dogs in caravan park,s and your carrying on about killing peoples pets and hanging them in public veiw???? Life isnt all that bad........well mine isnt anyway.............

Merry Christmas.......If thats ok?

As usual, Harry cant follow an argument.

Show me where I sad that classes where required for a dog to be under control.

Unfortunately we cant rely on either common sence or common decency or peoples regard for others.

Unfortunately too many people simply will not do what they know they should without being confronted with graffic evidence of immediate consequence.

You call it drivel........I call it unfortunate facts that people dont want to face up to.....every instance I posted is a real case.......people don't want to face up to the fact that their laxity in controlling their dog can result in very serious consequences for others.

So what difference does it make....pet or not......as soon as it fails to be controlled and presents an inconvienience, cost or danger to others ceases to be a pet......it is uncontrolled and vermin....people need to get that thru their thick heads

There is no difference between a wild dog from the hills and an uncontrolled dog from a passing traveler...if they both kill livestock or attack humans.....the solution is the same

This is all the same issue.....people failing to consider others and properly controllong a pet......the only difference between being kept awake at night by a barking mut and someone being killed is how far the very same problem gets out of hand.

A great many people are willingly blind to the scale of trouble their mut can cause.

Oh NO my dogs never bark when I'm away......ya not there, how do you know
OH NO my little pookey does not bite....BULL $%#@t.
OH NO my little bluey wouldn't kill wildlife...where did that koala carcase in your back yard come from
OH NO my little fella is great with children....its a dog bred for fighting you idiot

The ignorance is breath taking and widespread.

A caravan park with a no dogs allowed sign, in a positive feature in my books.

Because it only takes one irresponsible owner to ruin your stay.

cheers

I stopped reading these replys ten times ago just been hitting the delete. Enough already.

Some people have not got the brains they were born with.
Taking a dog on the road with you for companionship is one thing but to take along a mob of dogs is sheer stupidity, especially large ones. Can you imagine those people picking up after 6 dogs, I can't. Big dogs big poop. Crazy in my opinion.

Cheers, Bruce.

Oh boy, they hunt in packs. Ive seen them pigging. We dont take our bloke away anymore. The way he got dragged down was like they had been there before, straight at the neck then both had an ear each. Anybody that thinks thats not a good reason for putting them down is fooling them selves.
Cheers