Member - Wim (Qld) posted:

Greydemon (WA)

Unfortunately the bag was neatly left a meter or so just off the track.
No accident, in fact we think we past the culprits earlier. They were drinking the same brand of beer.

Member - Ruth D (QLD) posted:

Hello P & J - we are planning to do the Hay in 08 also. Ruth and Ian

Peter McG (Member, Melbourne) posted:

Hi Ruth,

We must try and catch up then. I think it will be this time - Vic school holidays or soon after. Keep in touch.

Cheers

Peter and Jan

Member - Ruth D (QLD) posted:

Ha, Peter, I see you are busy at your desk! Oh good about the trip because we'll be in Bdv all next winter - good place to trip from, sort of central. We won't be hard to find - you've got my email.

Member - Wim (Qld) posted:

Shaker

I understand your sentiment however, maybe not members but visitors or even just a gentle prod to insure others may not be as careless.

Shaker posted:

Unfortunately desecration of these areas has become a fact of life, in 2005 when we were in the Simpson, we saw about 6 or 8 full garbage bags stacked behind some scrub, but just didn't have the available space to carry them out.
But, we usually bring more rubbish home than we create, no matter where we camp.

Blaze posted:

Totally agree guys... I'm not one for burning plastic etc under normal circumstances, but if I found half a dozen bags of garbage and could't remove them, I think I would have to put them in a clearing and throw some fuel over them and burn them..... I believe it would be the better of the 2 evils...

David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along posted:

Unfortunately cans and bottles dont burn...a fact that also seems to escape many campers. I regularly collect rubbish such as cans and broken bottles from sites of camp fires. I just don't understand the mentality of a person who does this.

The last time I collected a pile of bottles and cans, there happened to be a rego slip with them, and I knew the guy's parents, so I happily returned the rubbish to the owner. He wasn't so happy to get it back.

Shaker posted:

David .... hear hear!

I also have absolutely no idea why people persist in throwing cans & bottles into camp fires.
Every time I say anything I get howled down, with ... "they burn away" ... AS IF!
A can crushes to about 15mm thick under a well delivered Blundstone, as far as stubbies go, well don't even start me on that subject.

Blaze posted:

I probably should have explained myself better. As I said "if I found half a dozen bags of garbage and could't remove them, I think I would have to put them in a clearing and throw some fuel over them and burn them". I believe on average I would then have only one bag of bottles and cans to remove, which most of us could find room for, cans squashed down take up very little room. six bags is a little different.

It amazes me that canvas spare wheel garbage bags have been around for quite a few years now and very few are seen by us in the bush...

Member - Ruth D (QLD) posted:

Hi I just replied to a new post today about rubbish in the Simpson. Did you guys have a great time? Got a nice photo of us all meeting up.

David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along posted:

We had a great time. Only a couple of little issues with one traveller but apart from that it was great. Some water around in QLD on the way home.

Love to see the pic.

David

Member - Ruth D (QLD) posted:

ok David will send it via email. Ian said to tell you that thanks to a Fred 4WD Conversion the rear end (as of today) is now raised about 100mm (maybe more - he forgot to measure before he welded it on!!!) No need for you to bend down to talk in through the window now. Will need a step ladded to climb in the back to visit the dogs!
After blowing a tyre at 6,000 klms we have traded those that were on it and bought 6 Cooper STC's - noticed the difference in the ride coming back from town - bump, bump,bump as opposed to smooth - but maybe the Coopers will like the gibbers better!
Also got the 3" exhaust - more noise and better fuel consumption! (Theory, anyway).
Where are you going next - no, that's right the Kimberleys. I remembered.

David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along posted:

Hey thanks or the piccy..will let Justine read your email prior to responding...sounds like some fun???

All Ian needs to do with the cruiser now is make the rear track the front :-)

Actually going to Cape York first (on Monday) for 19 days then the Kimberley..then possibly Cape York again...still waiting for more numbers on the last Cape York one.

Member - Ruth D (QLD) posted:

Can't talk to Ian - El Masri just converted the first try and he's had to make another Rum! Forgot you were going to Cape York before the Kimberleys.
Yes, that little episode was fun - not. Justine will get a laugh. Uh oh Queensland finally got a try. My cousin (The Colonel I mentioned him to you) and his mob are heading up the Hay this weekend.

Andrew from Vivid Adventures posted:

Do you mean that everyone that tows a trailer in the Simpson is a moron?

If you do, then I guess you walk across there in your bare feet.

How can the towing of trailers make any significant difference to the impact on the Simpson given the traffic going across there?

I'd suspect that my 100 series and trailer - both with low tyre pressures and low speed makes less impact than some of the rampaging hoon-heads to be seen out there, or the Okas and F250s or F350s and other large vehicles one comes across.

Cheers
Andrew who hopes your overloaded rig doesn't become desert trash when it breaks down out there.

Member - Pesty (SA) posted:

Yes Andrew I agree !

Cheers Pesty

Andrew from Vivid Adventures posted:

You'll have to change the signage on your chariot to the Vivid Adventures Fan Club, Pesty.

Cheers
Andrew who thinks that would be much more appropriate anyway.

Member - Pesty (SA) posted:

OR

A "Vivid Pesky Adventure" LOL

Blaze posted:

Guys, the only thing I can defend Aandy's comments in are that of the 80% people who take trailers out in the Desert only a very small minority actually know how to drive, and are usually your "hoon-heads to be seen out there, or the Okas and F250s or F350s" now these as you mention are bad enough without trailers but worse with them.

One trip across we met up with Mr Retiree with his brand new T/D 100 series and Cavalier Camper, he had left Birdsville and hadn't reached Poepels and he had been bogged on nearly every hill, (inexperience, tyre pressures around 50psi I assume), we could have given him a crash course in driving the desert but luckily for the Simpson his wife and freinds had had enough and were heading back to the black top. So whilst I agree with both Andrew and Pesty, that with the right driver and conditions a Mack Truck can run over these area's leaving little traces of their being their..... not all the people who read these posts have that experience...

So I believe broad statements "morons who tow trailers" or "the Okas and F250s or F350s" are both a little dangerous to make, and tend to lump us all into one group or the other....

Andrew from Vivid Adventures posted:

Right on Blaze - the Aandy bloke seems to have blown on a bit.

Of course I don't decry Okas and Fx50s heading out there either - I don't think they have significant impact either, but make more impact than a well driven vehicle towing a trailer.

Cheers
Andrew.

Member - Wim (Qld) posted:

Ruth.

Apart from a couple (of what are now minor issues) we had a great time.
Tell Ian we found the water he spoke of. We also had the opportunity for some cross country work and I got to play in the sand again..
Met some great people and found a couple of interesting places to park the wagon.
Dave is a smooth operator and given the right circumstances we will travel with him again.

All the best and talk to you soon.

Member - Ruth D (QLD) posted:

Wim, Ian said he's glad about the water. Check my reply to David above to see what he's done with the ute. Interested to hear about the parking places! David and Justine are lovely (Justine is anyway). Have a nice time on your next trip for your Happy Anniversary - I had to have mine in Birdsville (again!), not the same as your destination. Am off to Norfolk for 10 days on Boxing Day - looking forward to that. Now the paperwork is nearly finished for end of year off to Bdv again at anytime.

David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along posted:

Justine may be the nice one...but I am the good looking one :-)

Member - Ruth D (QLD) posted:

You're so vain - bet you thought this song was about you! Ha ha ha.
Wind is blowing so hard here this a.m. - has been for some hours that Ian reckons it would blow you off your birth certificate.