Generators in NSW National Parks..

Submitted: Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 11:18
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We've just done a week stint doing Volunteer Camp Hosts for the National Parks (at Munmorah - NSW Central Coast). An issue arose when a camper complained to us that a generator had been running til about midnight. We bought it to the attention of the Ranger, and he advised that as from January, generators are now allowed in National Parks- so long as they are not too noisy!!!!!!!!!!!
So what is noisy??? Even the little Hondas can be 'noisy' if they're right next door to you at 2200hrs !!

Ah well- there goes the serenity.

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Wombat
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Reply By: Gronk - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 11:31

Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 11:31
I have no problem with gennies being used ( even in nat parks )..... but you have pointed out why they used to be banned....

If they could have had a specific time for running them, then at least you have an argument for telling an inconsiderate person that gennies don't need to run at midnight...
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Reply By: Dennis Ellery - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 11:43

Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 11:43
Generators are a fact of life.

I attend a week long gathering of old vets each year – generators running in most of the 3 to 400 caravans clustered close together - it’s no big deal.

In National Parks maybe they shouldn’t be allowed to run before 10am or after beer o’clock (4pm to you non-drinkers) and I restrict myself to those times for the sake of harmony with my neighbours.
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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 12:15

Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 12:15
The same with Pandanus up on the Cape, Dennis. But luckily they have more room and people can find an isolated place for the extra quiet camping at a reunion or gathering.

In National Parks not a hassle but it would be nice to have some peace and quiet of a night time. So a limit would be nice. But not on a noise/ too loud basis. Of course all rangers carry decibel meters. NOT! How loud does a dripping tap have to be to let you sleep at 2AM?????

Does the number 5714296 mean anything. I have 2785004 myself. Different mob though I noticed.

Phil
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Follow Up By: wombat100 - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 12:28

Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 12:28
Hi Phil,
216131 here (yes- a volunteer).
2 Sig Regt/ 1 LSF

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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 12:35

Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 12:35
This is OT but to hell with it. 110/104/5/133/127 and lots of quiet places and 1 sig regt. Nasho with RAEME (2yrs) then regular with RASIGS (18yrs). 20 years to the second.

I knew the name was familiar.

Hi

Phil
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 12:46

Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 12:46
Hi Phil and Wombat
Yep that’s me 5741296 a Nasho 2RAR 1967 to 1968 – I see you 2 guys were regulars – though I won’t hold that against you. If you ever get over to WA in the first week in November go to Bruce Rock.
It has the Back to the Bush Reunion – I think it’s the biggest gathering of Vets in Australia.
Civilians and non-vets aren’t excluded – Lots of activities, Street Marches, Stalls, Bands, a couple of free barbecues – camping fees are $7 ahead/day.
For info email exo@brucerock.wa.gov.au or if you go along email me dennis.ellery@yahoo.com.au and I will keep an eye out for you.
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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 13:20

Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 13:20
Will do Dennis.

Wombat is that a nick name from Watsonia? We better not go too far. David and his cronies will kill us.

Phil (my las on this)
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Reply By: On Patrol & TONI - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 12:53

Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 12:53
Hey Wombat
wanna borrow my geny, haha. for your next stay in a NP ???????????????
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Follow Up By: wombat100 - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 18:43

Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 18:43
Yea,,thanks Col. I'll need it when the Sun stops shining !!
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Reply By: Member Andys Adventures - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 16:16

Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 16:16
So if it's all right to have a generator running at 74 db or more, so is it all right to have music playing at 74db in a national park.
Also if they have changed the rule there would be a db limit in the new rule, not just (so long as they are not too noisy), any generator is too noisy. I think that ranger needs to brush up on the new rules.
Going to a NP you would expect peace and quite, listen to the birds and nature not generators and whatever other noise you would like to make.
Andy
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 17:17

Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 17:17
74db that’s screaming along - not many would get that high - can’t be a Honda or a Yamaha
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Follow Up By: Member Andys Adventures - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 22:09

Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 22:09
Hi Dennis,
74db is as loud as a person talking. A db metre at 7 meters will register 74db when you talk normally. Noise pollution is more than 78db after 10 minutes and then you require hearing protection. If anyone wants to run a generator near me for more than 10 minutes then I will ask them to supply me with ear muffs.
Andy
PS I think a Honda runs at 73db, you should be able to cheek on the label.
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 22:52

Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 22:52
Only if you stick the exhaust in your ear - if you get that close you will be up for tresspass
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Reply By: Member - Frank P (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 16:40

Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 16:40
I tried to google for new generator regs for NSW NPs but didn't find anything. Nothing on the NPWS site that I could see.

I did find this link. and if you follow some of the links it contains, other states are limiting generator noise levels to 55 or 65dB and max 2kVA, which is your Honda EU20i and the like and smaller.

I have a generator but I like NPs the way they are - nice and quiet and I've set my gear up accordingly. I wonder if Rangers will have the discretion to not permit them at well-populated parks. I can think of a few popular coastal NP campgrounds where they would not be welcome, legal or not.

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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 17:29

Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 17:29
Frank, I had a look at the NPWS site too. If you look at the info for specific campgrounds some do say that generators are not permitted (assuming the website is up-to-date). For other campgrounds there is no mention as to whether permitted or not. Seems as though there is no general rule about generators for NSW NPs.

We have seen notices in various camping areas around the country indicating that generators are permitted unless they are "too loud". That is IMHO a recipe for conflict - who decides what is "too loud". There really does need to be some objective standard such as allowable between certain times. Who carries an decibel counter in their camping kit - and surely any dB figure would have to be measured at some nominated distance?

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Val
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Follow Up By: Member - Frank P (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 18:31

Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 18:31
Yes, Val, "too loud"is a useless standard, a recipe for conflict as you say.

I think the decibels that other administrations are referring to would be placarded decibels, not measured. I think it's pretty clear what kind of generator they're aiming at to be allowable, without mentioning brand names.

In any case policing would only commence on receipt of a complaint, by which time your peacefull sojurn has already been destroyed.

I don't think this is a good move because too many people will abuse it and too many loopholes. But I suspect we are considering closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. It may well be a done deal, good or bad.

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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 18:51

Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 18:51
I've got an app for decibels on my IPhone. Now it's just a matter of, how far away do'es the reading have to be taken ? Simple answer could be "during daylight hours" no mistake in that description, sunset today is ?7.35pm.
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Reply By: Bazooka - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 17:14

Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 17:14
Perhaps it's to help disguise the sounds of the rifle shots :-) ?
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Reply By: SDG - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 21:37

Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 21:37
No body complains about generators near me.
The snoring drowns them out.
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Reply By: Member - Doug F1 - Tuesday, Feb 05, 2013 at 11:37

Tuesday, Feb 05, 2013 at 11:37
What in the world are you worried about. Surely a simple rule would be to "ALLOW"
the use of generators, "BUT" only from certain times.
Some peopls need power to cook. (Especially if bthey have children.)
A sensible time would like 9-00am Tt'till 8-00 pm. Or something similar. At least then nothing could disterb the early sleepers and late risers.
YOU WILL NEVER PLEASE THEM ALL>
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