Generators in NSW National Parks..
Submitted: Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 11:18
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We've just done a week stint doing Volunteer
Camp Hosts for the National Parks (at Munmorah - NSW Central Coast). An issue arose when a camper complained to us that a generator had been running til about midnight. We bought it to the attention of the
Ranger, and he advised that as from January, generators are now allowed in National Parks- so long as they are not too noisy!!!!!!!!!!!
So what is noisy??? Even the little Hondas can be 'noisy' if they're right next door to you at 2200hrs !!
Ah
well- there goes the serenity.
Cheers
Wombat
Reply By: Member Andys Adventures - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 16:16
Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 16:16
So if it's all right to have a generator running at 74 db or more, so is it all right to have music playing at 74db in a national park.
Also if they have changed the rule there would be a db limit in the new rule, not just (so long as they are not too noisy), any generator is too noisy. I think that
ranger needs to brush up on the new rules.
Going to a NP you would expect peace and quite, listen to the birds and nature not generators and whatever other noise you would like to make.
Andy
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 17:17
Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 17:17
74db that’s screaming along - not many would get that high - can’t be a Honda or a Yamaha
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Follow Up By: Member Andys Adventures - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 22:09
Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 22:09
Hi Dennis,
74db is as loud as a person talking. A db metre at 7 meters will register 74db when you talk normally. Noise pollution is more than 78db after 10 minutes and then you require hearing protection. If anyone wants to run a generator near me for more than 10 minutes then I will ask them to supply me with ear muffs.
Andy
PS I think a Honda runs at 73db, you should be able to cheek on the label.
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 22:52
Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 22:52
Only if you stick the exhaust in your ear - if you get that close you will be up for tresspass
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Reply By: Member - Frank P (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 16:40
Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 16:40
I tried to google for new generator regs for NSW NPs but didn't find anything. Nothing on the NPWS site that I could see.
I did find
this link. and if you follow some of the links it contains, other states are limiting generator noise levels to 55 or 65dB and max 2kVA, which is your Honda EU20i and the like and smaller.
I have a generator but I like NPs the way they are - nice and quiet and I've set my gear up accordingly. I wonder if Rangers will have the discretion to not permit them at
well-populated parks. I can think of a few popular coastal NP campgrounds where they would not be welcome, legal or not.
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 17:29
Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 17:29
Frank, I had a look at the NPWS site too. If you look at the info for specific campgrounds some do say that generators are not permitted (assuming the website is up-to-date). For other campgrounds there is no mention as to whether permitted or not. Seems as though there is no general rule about generators for NSW NPs.
We have seen notices in various camping areas around the country indicating that generators are permitted unless they are "too loud". That is IMHO a recipe for conflict - who decides what is "too loud". There really does need to be some objective standard such as allowable between certain times. Who carries an decibel counter in their camping kit - and surely any dB figure would have to be measured at some nominated distance?
Cheers,
Val
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Follow Up By: Member - Frank P (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 18:31
Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 18:31
Yes, Val, "too loud"is a useless standard, a recipe for conflict as you say.
I think the decibels that other administrations are referring to would be placarded decibels, not measured. I think it's pretty clear what kind of generator they're aiming at to be allowable, without mentioning brand names.
In any case policing would only commence on receipt of a complaint, by which time your peacefull sojurn has already been destroyed.
I don't think this is a good move because too many people will abuse it and too many loopholes. But I suspect we are considering closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. It may
well be a done deal, good or bad.
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 18:51
Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 18:51
I've got an app for decibels on my IPhone. Now it's just a matter of, how far away do'es the reading have to be taken ? Simple answer could be "during daylight hours" no mistake in that description, sunset today is ?7.35pm.
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Reply By: Member - Doug F1 - Tuesday, Feb 05, 2013 at 11:37
Tuesday, Feb 05, 2013 at 11:37
What in the world are you worried about. Surely a simple rule would be to "ALLOW"
the use of generators, "BUT" only from certain times.
Some peopls need power to
cook. (Especially if bthey have children.)
A sensible time would like 9-00am Tt'till 8-00 pm. Or something similar. At least then nothing could disterb the early sleepers and late risers.
YOU WILL NEVER PLEASE THEM ALL>
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