Tyres, Tyres, & More Tyres

Looking for a decent tyre for a lot of outback driving, all conditions.Looked at a lot of brands, used a lot of brands, but the one that catches my eye is the TOYO brand, heard some good reports about them! Used in Dakar rally. Anyone out there used them.
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Reply By: Lyn W3 - Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 13:52

Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 13:52
Try the search function.

Mike O on TOYO Tyres
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony H (touring oz) - Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 15:29

Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 15:29
Toyo OPATs in the all terrain pattern for me. VERY happy with their performance & road manners on my 200 series..... Will be purchasing another set :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - outbackjack 1 - Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 16:22

Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 16:22
Thanks for the info Tony H, looks like I might have to give them a go
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Follow Up By: Member - outbackjack 1 - Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 16:33

Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 16:33
Thanks Lyn W3 very informative, could be the tyre
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Reply By: Olsen's 4WD Tours and Training - Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 13:57

Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 13:57
I ran the TOYO OPAT LT for many years and was very happy with them. Now running Mickey Thompson ATZ 4 lug version, better grip than my OPATS had and 82000k
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Follow Up By: Member - outbackjack 1 - Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 16:37

Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 16:37
Thanks Olsens 4wd food for thought M.T was the next one I was looking at
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Reply By: Fab72 - Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 14:03

Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 14:03
BF Goodrich M/T's. KM2's. Quiet on the bitumen, aggresive in the mud, very capable even in sand, good puncture resistance and balance up with minimal weight.

I've run mine as low as 6psi and still hung onto the rim really well. (No bead lockers).

I wouldn't buy anything but these ever.
Fab.
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Follow Up By: Member - outbackjack 1 - Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 16:42

Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 16:42
Thanks Fab72 I've run BF's great tyre back to the drawing board BF's looking up there
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 15:40

Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 15:40
Out our way, station vehicles & " going into town 4x4s" ,= 50/50 shod with Toyo open country or Bridgestone duelers ,,, depends more on which of the two tyre outlets in "town" can fit you in / has current stock when you need them rather than brand bias ,,
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Follow Up By: Andrew & Jen - Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 16:18

Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 16:18
Ditto
Run D694LT/ATs or Toyo Open Country ATs or MTs, depending on the conditions. Have had excellent runs from both over nearly 20 years , with good performance in conditions ranging from deserts to mountains with no punctures so far.
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Andrew
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Follow Up By: Member - outbackjack 1 - Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 16:45

Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 16:45
Thanks for your input, big decision
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Follow Up By: Top End Az - Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 17:32

Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 17:32
I'm getting a good run out of the Dueler 697's LT. Quiet on road, very grippy off road and so far good wear.
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Reply By: Shaker - Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 16:18

Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 16:18
Have a look at Kelly Safari TSR, their vehicles here are getting excellent results from them.
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Follow Up By: Member - outbackjack 1 - Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 17:14

Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 17:14
Thanks Shaker for your input, nice nautical theme,you've been on your yacht to long. Kelly Safari TSR are another option.I'm not sure if you can get them in Westernport
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 17:33

Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 17:33
Ian??
Try Robbie Tuckett at Tyrepower, I got mine from Tyrepower Traralgon.
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Follow Up By: Member - outbackjack 1 - Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 17:58

Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 17:58
Thanks again Shaker
Will look into these tyres and see what they are like.
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Reply By: Echucan Bob - Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 20:18

Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 20:18
OBJ, there's probably not much difference between all available tyres, But you can bet your boots that people will swear by the tyres they presently have are marvelous and that all the rest are rubbish. This is part of a natural tendency by people to validate their personal choice. Part of that process is to put down opposing brands. The bigger the threat the opposing brand to their choice the greater the vehemence of the criticism. cf the irrational hatred of fandroids to anything Apple, or the passionate hatred of Cooper tyres by the BFGoodrich fan club. A sensible consumer will ignore the fanatics and make a reasoned choice based on experience.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 22:41

Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 22:41
Bob, I do tend to agree with you about the similarity in tyres. I have long considered that if any one manufacturer achieved the 'perfect' tyre then the competitors would soon adjust their product to a similar standard.

Apart from the differences in highway type or mud type etc, if there was such a thing as the ideal tyre then it would be a natural consequence that all tyres would emulate that. They have had enough time after all.

In the tread design alone, each manufacturer has a different pattern. Could it be that just one has got it right and all the rest are wrong?

Of course there will be 'cheapies' and differences in rubber grade but there surely cannot be much difference in the major brands. I mean, if they are so damned good, why are we not all wearing a Rolex watch?

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Follow Up By: Olsen's 4WD Tours and Training - Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 23:36

Thursday, Feb 14, 2013 at 23:36
As far as tyres go, it is definitely more about how you treat them than about what brand they are, since there are very few tyre manufacturers and lots of brands. Just don't buy cheap tyres.

It is very definitely important to chose the tyre type, construction and tread pattern that suits your needs, or the results will be less than you expect.

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Friday, Feb 15, 2013 at 08:21

Friday, Feb 15, 2013 at 08:21
That's like saying all Nissans are crap ... I give you the 3.0 Litre Patrol as proof!
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Follow Up By: Olsen's 4WD Tours and Training - Friday, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:03

Friday, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:03
Haha touche!!

But it is actually like saying all ZD30's are crap I give you the 3L Patrol as proof :-)

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Follow Up By: Member - eighty matey - Sunday, Feb 17, 2013 at 21:55

Sunday, Feb 17, 2013 at 21:55
Before our trip across to the Kimberley last year I put on a set of Dick Cepeks. Usually I run Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs and I've had no trouble with them, on road or off road.

The price of the Goodyears went up about $50 a tyre and that's why I looked around. On my tyre guy's advice (been going there for over 20 years) I bought the Dick Cepeks.

By the time I got back the Dick Cepeks look very second hand and one didn't survive the trip. Ironically, that has been replaced with one of my old Goodyears.

I treated them same as I would have treated the Goodyears, checking pressures and the country we travelled, load in the vehicle, they just didn't go any good for me.

Next set of tyres will be Goodyear Duratracs whatever the price.

Steve
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Reply By: Lyn W3 - Friday, Feb 15, 2013 at 06:55

Friday, Feb 15, 2013 at 06:55
Perhaps it's time to go back to the basics.

Remember when this was the standard in 4WD tyres,

The tyre we grew up with
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Feb 15, 2013 at 23:30

Friday, Feb 15, 2013 at 23:30
You mention the word "outback" in both your name and your question. I'll assume you mean outback SA and WA gravel roads and tracks.

I travel SA outback roads several times a year - if you're looking at brands, the most common tyre I see out there are Bridgestone. Their D693, D694 and D697 A/T tyres have a good reputation for not chipping and decent tread puncture resistance and they float over sand OK. The Goodyear Silent Armour is pretty common too. The Cooper / Mickey T / Dick Septics etc are pretty much all on city vehicles with wild lifts that are setup for rockcrawling in the eastern states - While they will do the job, they sometimes chip out badly on SA outback roads and will cost you in extra fuel.

The muddies are great if you want a vehicle to look mean and "tuff"..... but realistically they are a waste of tread in outback SA. I've been on lots of trips that have been affected by rain, and in the end we all get through no matter what tyres are on the vehicle. And when the roads get muddy, they get shut and you shouldn't be on them. The people with muddies say how good they were while the people on grandtreks will just say "yeah".

And there are a lot of "cheap" tyres that do fine outback. The Federal Couragia A/T is a typical example - about 30% cheaper than the usual A/T... made in Taiwan... 3-ply sidewall on many sizes...quiet on the bitumen with good grip...and everything has a downside - you'll struggle to get more than 40k out of them. See plenty of the Nankang, Hercules and whatever else out there too.

And finally don't ever read a 4wd magazine - many of the big adverts are from tyres that seem to have a higher than normal puncture rate on outback tracks.

Phew.... that's another tyre thread....:-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Feb 15, 2013 at 23:41

Friday, Feb 15, 2013 at 23:41
Bugger, forgot to mention Toyo as per your original question.
I guess I prefer not to use the A/T Toyos - seemed like whenever I went away with someone with the OPATs they had a puncture or a sidewall bulge or whatever. But that was about 5-10 years ago... maybe they've improved? They ask top dollar for the Toyos. But... I've used the Toyos on passenger vehicles and they are some of the best tyres I've ever used on a 2wd - great mileage, quiet and good grip from their Transtas Teos.
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Follow Up By: Andrew & Jen - Saturday, Feb 16, 2013 at 10:38

Saturday, Feb 16, 2013 at 10:38
G'day Phil
Interesting comment re price.
I asked around the other day as I need to replace six 235x85R16 LT ATs on the F-truck.
Bridgestone D697s were $295
Goodyear Silent Amor were $300
Toyo Open Country $255
I was pleasantly surprised :-)
Cheers
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Feb 16, 2013 at 11:59

Saturday, Feb 16, 2013 at 11:59
Gday Andrew,
At Xmas, my daughter had to replace her 235/85R16 - same price as you for the D697, but she stuck with the Federal Couragia A/T - 3 ply sidewall for $219.00 at Conquest tyres Welland. But you'll get fewer k's out of the Federals.

In that size in the Toyos, the M55F used to have a great reputation for being a good strong tyre. It would be interesting to know how much they sell for now - used to be very expensive.
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Follow Up By: Cyberess - Sunday, Feb 17, 2013 at 23:41

Sunday, Feb 17, 2013 at 23:41
Good advice -- Phill


In Darwin, on my Pathfinder R51 I used to run Yokohama Geolandar ATS G012 LT245/75R16 120/116R (effectively a 10 ply rated tyre) -- I used to get only about 25000klm out of them -- It was getting near the point of selling the vehicle, and to be legal , I asked the tyre fitter for a cheaper tyre, and they found a Kenda same size -- KENDA Klever A/P saved me about $120 per tyre -- I did keep the vehicle for a bit longer than expected, but I must admit I was very surprised with the Kenda tyre, it was doing everything that the Geolandar ATS had done, it was quiet on the road, lasting about the same, gripped well.

Cheers

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