Mucking around and wasting time. How do I get VKS membership details

Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:14
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I have searched, beeon on the VKS site and darn well Googled but I cannot find where on the VKS site that they have current membership costs and channel serive fees shown.

Help?

Phil
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Reply By: Tim HJ61 (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:27

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:27
Phil,

The direct link for the membership form is
http://www.vks737.on.net/pdfs/FORM%2001.pdf

I found it on the site under the JOIN US tag down the bottom of that page where it says:

"DOWNLOAD THE VKS-737 LICENCE AUTHORITY APPLICATION FORM via this link button"
and there is an L in a circle. Click on the L and away you go.

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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:30

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:30
Thanks Tim

Who would ever click on a menu item that is not delineated or even shown to be a function call. Thank heavens that I got out of the software game.

Strange menu choices. But . . .

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Follow Up By: Tim HJ61 (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:32

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:32
Phil,

The link has not come up correctly, you will need to copy the whole line of text up to the end of the .pdf bit and then paste that in your browser window. I'll try again....
http://www.vks737.on.net/pdfs/FORM%2001.pdf


Or alternatively, find it yourself on the VKS737.on.net site by following the directions above.

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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:53

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:53
Got it Tim.

Mine came up okay.

Thanks

Now all I need to do is work out what "other" cots there are. Such as phone call patched through and so on.

It is not what I would calla friendly site.

We shall see. It appears to me to be way cheaper to stick with the satellite phone for phone calls.

Still looking at it though.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:10

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:10
Quote "Who would ever click on a menu item that is not delineated or even shown to be a function call. Thank heavens that I got out of the software game."

This seems to be a common method of operation on web sites. There are many caravan parks where the only way of finding out their park fees is to commence to make a booking and then back out before you really commit yourself.

It's also the only way of finding out the Tasmanian ferry prices.

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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:35

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 12:35
Like I said Peter. Not user friendly. It seems to be a missing art.

Catchya

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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 13:39

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 13:39
Got another one to laugh at Peter.

I was looking for a fees etc table or document. In Policy 05 it says that fees and subscriptions are detailed in VKS-737 Radio Network Document DOC 04.

There isn't any document DOC 04 that I can find. It isn't even listed in their documents page.

I am trying to see what other fees are involved in joining and if any seniors or club membership etc are available.

I spent ages designing and developing screen layouts and menu architecture and this one is one of the worst that I have come across. And if the developers or owners are reading this then take it as constructive criticism and consider my comments in the next version.

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Follow Up By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:28

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2013 at 10:28
Hi Phil

You made some negative comments on the screen layout etc of VKS and I do understand where you are coming from

you also commented on your experience/expertise in this field.........as VKS is a run on a voluntary basis and keeps its fees to the minimum to cover costs............all members and potential members need to keep in mind the limitations of comparing relatively expensive web site designs to low cost functional ones such as VKS

might I suggest that if you have this expertise and some time on your hands you could offer your services to them on a voluntary basis and see if you can be constructive and help yourself (if you join) as well as VKS and its members..... rather than post comments in the vane you did?

cheers

one long term and happy VKS memeber

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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:04

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:04
Steady down Graeme. You only know the half of it.

And you apparently missed my last sentence where I said "And if the developers or owners are reading this then take it as constructive criticism and consider my comments in the next version"

Please note the use of the phrase "constructive criticism" in my comment to the developers.

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Follow Up By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:47

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:47
Hi Phil

No need for me to "steady down"...and I only know what was posted....not what ever the "other half is" as you put it.

Besids which I'm ok with your comments in your previous posts...I didnt refute them.....the site does have some issues

I simply made a suggestion to you to offer to help if you were willing and able thats all......it is a voluntary service and those developers are perhaps less qualified thn yourself

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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:57

Wednesday, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:57
Fair enough. One reason I was retired is because my short term memory is not the best. And being able to manage or remember several things at one makes me incapable of writing reliable and error free code. A computer never "forgets". A program that I wrote in 1983-4 still runs error free under Windows 8. I could never acieve that level of expertise again

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Reply By: Member -Ted (Vic) - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:27

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:27
Hi PJR

Just renewed for 2013 cost was $120.00 membership, you could check by giving them a call on (08)8287 6222

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Reply By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:28

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:28
FOUND IT.

Just after posting this thread. Don't worry all.

Thanks

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Reply By: Barry 2 - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:28

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:28
Hi Phil

On the VKS web page if you use the buttons at top of page marked...

Join Us - you will see fees costs ( $120 / yr )

HF -Tel - Costs for use of Telephone service.

Hope this helps, good luck

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Follow Up By: Barry 2 - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:30

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:30
Fingers are "Too slow again" ??
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Reply By: Life Member - Phil B (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:29

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:29
Here you go


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Reply By: Member - Chris (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 13:07

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 13:07
Hi Phil

I am with VKS737 but have just joined up with the HFradio club to compare services.
Membership is cheaper and if you get the travelers pack for an extra $20 a year you get 200 mins of phone calls and SMS included. If you have a GPS fitted to your HF radio family/friends can track you online (via google maps), you can also get your position and skeds posted on your Facebook page.

Having only just started using it so remote coverage is an unknown at the moment but testing from home the phone calls, sms and gps tracking works well.

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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 14:01

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 14:01
That looks better. We really only want the membership for emergencies. The sons are old enough to look after themselves. We don't really need all the email, GPS and SMS stuff.

The only problem is most of those that I know are either on amateur radio with the travellers nets or VKS737. While I can talk to anywhere and anyone that I wish on ham radio I cannot make "cross-network" contacts to those on a different 4WD HF system. HFradio can only talk to HFradio and VKS can only talk to VKS.

Very frustrating and quite limiting when hoping that a bloke "just down the track" is listening and may be able to help.

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Follow Up By: racinrob - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 17:57

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 17:57
More bang for your $$$ with the HF Radio Club, very good Oz wide coverage with bases in Sapphire, Cobar, Alice Springs and Wiluna WA as well as links to other HF clubs.

VKE237 Sel6678

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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 18:18

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 18:18
Thanks Rob and all for the response.

We just decided not to get the radio.

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Reply By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 18:29

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 18:29
Thanks all for the responses.

We just now decided not to get the radio.

Out of curiosity, because I didn't have much to do today, I started reading the conditions for belonging to VKS737. I could not find Doc 04 which covered fees and subscriptions. There is a reference to it in Policy 05. Normally I wouldn't worry about the detail but since this one covered fees and subscriptions I have been trying to chase it up. Apparently it has been obsolete since 2009. I am still waiting on a request for the replacement document.

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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 18:58

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 18:58
Phil,

I have had HF radio with VKS737 for several years and also Iridium satellite phone. If I was doing it again I think I would only get the phone. VKS is warm & friendly on the skeds and could be useful for information and assistance with spare parts, but there is often unclear reception due to interference and propagation issues.


As for the HF-Tel service, when I tried it the reception was poor and of course being "simplex" (one direction at a time) the called party did not comprehend the "over" call principle.


HF radio is rather old technology (I was using it in the 1950's) and even the RFDS is placing more emphasis on satellite telephones.


However an innovation is on the horizon through VKS737. See here.

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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 19:08

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 19:08
I saw the stuff on telephone and emergency access. I would use the phobne direct myself.

And I am seriously looking at getting a new Yeasu ot Icom triband radio with HF, VHF and UHF in it. At least on the ham bands we have more chance of getting through on one of the travellers frequencies. There are also more hamd than remote 4wders who would pick us up.

The downside of not using 4WD HF is the "bloke down the track" thing. But there are still a lot of hams "just down the road' also>

The satphone serves us well at the moment anyway.

Cheers Allan

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Reply By: Member - Boobook - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 18:49

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 18:49
It all seems very hard.
Let me google that for you
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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 19:01

Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013 at 19:01
Technically Boobook, you are wrong.

That is the renewal cost. We are not members at this stage. I saw that also.

Try again.

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