using a generator inverter
Submitted: Thursday, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:54
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Hi great
forum,i have a 4.4kva petrol generator mounted on the front of my 1975 millard caravan and when i am on the road it supplies most of the 240 volt power i need to keep me happy.However i run my 150watt fridge while i am mobile to keep my food frozen and fresh because being a pensioner on a limited budget i find it cheaper than buying take out food while god knows how expensive petrol is today,so it helps.I dont run it all the time i may swithch the generator off for 3 hours or so and then start it up again for a hour or so to bring the fridge back up to cold.I was thinking of gett a inverter because i was given a fairly new deep cell 12 volt battery[$300 bucks worth].Can some one tell me what size inverter i would need to run my 150 watt fridge please,i took the details of it off the plate on the back.
Fridge details are as follows.
rated voltage 230-240 volts.
rated frequency 50Hz.
ratted current 0.42-0.43A.
rated input of heating systems 140-152W.
defrosting input 140-156W
climate class T
I also had this idea of using the inverter that is inside the generator is there anyway i could feed 12 volts into it and get 240 ac out to run the fridge without the gen running?
Stupid idea i supose but i have a lot of time on my hands,ha.
I would like to here everyones ideas,thanks.
Graeme Briggs.
Reply By: Ross M - Thursday, Mar 21, 2013 at 14:05
Thursday, Mar 21, 2013 at 14:05
G'day Graeme
For a 150 watt fridge you will need at least 4x the inverter capacity ie 600W to allow for startup loads. It is an electric motor start current you have to cater for, not the running load.
However, IF you use an inverter to stepup 12v dc to 240vac for the fridge and this is running off a battery, it will draw around 20 to 25 amps from the battery.
This will mean a deep cycle 105ah battery, fully charged, will only last only last about 2 1/2 hrs before the battery itself will need a substantial recharge to recover the discharge amount. This takes time and will many hours to do it.
Then the battery and the fridge will both require power from 12v source and 240v source, respectively, to charge the battery and run the fridge simultaneously ie off the generator.
Can't see any advantages there because of generator run time will use a lot more fuel than already using.
There is no way the 12v can be run into the inverter of the generator as they are an energy transfer system where engine power is converted to AC and it is then used by the invertor system to switch and create 240v ac.
If you have solar it may help but that is another system and it would require many watts of power from the panels to accomplish it all.
Ross M
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Reply By: Janos K - Thursday, Mar 28, 2013 at 18:01
Thursday, Mar 28, 2013 at 18:01
Three way , Two way fridges and Compressor fridges. - Differences???
With the three and two way fridges the best performance is on the 240V heat element, hence the main reason of using the inverter. You lose efficiency in power consumption but you get the additional performance of the fridge.
The DC element is generally smaller and with constant current they generally do not last as long and the performance is terrible (temperature wise) . Its more as a back up. Hopeless in long trip conditions.(but see my last tip\trick to improve this)
If preferring to run a three or two way fridge off an inverter then all you need is a 300W Modified\MSW Inverter,Generally under $100.00. But .. look for the best efficiency.
http://wallcann.com/300W-12V-or-24V-Power-Inverter-Modified-Sine-8Zed_587.html
This is an 8ZED Brand one , up around the 90% efficiency. Less power is lost from switching and heat.
When discussing the compressor type fridge freezers, If they rate it with "A\amps" then this will be the max it draws, If in watts then generally times this by 3~4 for PSW Pure Sine Wave, And times by 5 if powering it via a modified sine wave inverter.
I wouldn't run a compressor fridge freezer off a MSW Inverter, 1 - you get the motor shuttering hence a great nights rest, 2- It's terrible efficiency as the MSW draws more power to run the compressor hence a larger load on the batteries. The money you save on the Inverter you end up investing in batteries.
Tip\trick - When at powered sites,and you have any avail space, try and fill the freezer as much as possible, If any spare space then add bottles of water or freezer bags with water or sauces. then when on the road the fridge \ freezer will not start up as often. When the ice begins to melt then move it to the fridge. The more the fridge freezer is populated the denser it is and the less it starts up.
Sorry gents - not good for beer fridges.
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