Towing vehicle

Submitted: Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 15:07
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Im currently travelling aus with my gf we have a 12.5 ft jayco pop top and are using a 2004 3lt turbo diesel hilux, asking what would be the best vehicle to tow the van as the hilux seems to be struggling, it was never our intention to have such a big van, would like to stick to 4wd diesel any suggestions?
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Reply By: Member - Rosco from way back - Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 16:09

Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 16:09
That's not a very big van, which I would have thought the Hilux would handle with ease. Having said that I harbour a nagging feeling that all these smaller capacity units are punching above their weight. At the very real risk of getting half the forumites off side, I can't help but wonder about the longevity of these engines. Having experienced a 2.5 litre TD5 in the Defender, it tended to make hard work of towing our Conqueror. It was up to the task, but struggled mightily on hills etc.

Plus they generally need revs around 2K for maximum torque, so if you stuff a gear change and loose boost you're back to lugging in 1st. At least that was my experience.

Hence, in answer to your question you probably won't be happy without more cubic inches (to apply the old yank vernacular).

I might add the difference between our new and the old when it comes to towing is nothing short of amazing. Add to that the reduction in driver stress and hard work and your physical condition at the end of the day is streets ahead.
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Follow Up By: Brayden M1 - Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 16:13

Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 16:13
Thanks mate I think I have some investigating to do!
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Reply By: Buffo69 - Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 16:20

Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 16:20
Upgrade to a common rail braydo and chuck a chip in it. I know of a good one you might be able to buy ;)
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Follow Up By: Brayden M1 - Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 16:22

Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 16:22
What are you asking mate? Got any pics ?
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Reply By: KevinE - Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 16:48

Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 16:48
Hi Brayden, I too would think a 3L turbo diesel Hilux would be ample car to tow that van.

You don't mention what size rims/tyres you're running on the Hilux? If you're running bigger than stock tyres or rims they will reduce the pulling power of the ute when you take off from a standing start & up steep hills.

Have you had the exhaust looked at? It may need replacing? That would have a very negative effect on performance too.

Just a thought! ;)

Kevin.
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Follow Up By: Brayden M1 - Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 16:53

Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 16:53
Hey mate I'm running 31's on the ute and the exhaust seems fine I think it is stock
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Reply By: Member - John G - Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 16:49

Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 16:49
G'day Brayden

We tow a Jayco Eagle Outback (probably around 1300kg when fully loaded) with a 2000 Hilux 3.0TD.

Sits on 90kph @2400rpm and returns just under 15 litres/100km. Routinely in second gear for steep hills (like coming back up from the south coast to Canberra) but cruising on the flat or in undulating country is effortless. How does that compare with your rig? I have always thought the Hilux with the turbo should be doing better up hills, but I've learnt to put up with it and keep an eye out for those (and how many) behind.

Maybe worth having a diesel mechanic check out the Hilux before swapping for another vehicle?

Cheers
John
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Follow Up By: Brayden M1 - Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 16:57

Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 16:57
Gday Jon I think I would be up around 1500-1700kg loaded up I'm getting 17.5lt/100km I'm a mechanic myself and I have left the exhaust stock standard, I feel like the it's is just straining very hard pulling the van at 80-90kph in 4th gear I can smell hot gearbox oil, I have lost confidence in the ute and I have been looking at the 6 cylinder diesels but am unsure which way to go
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Follow Up By: Member - John G - Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 17:20

Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 17:20
Good luck with it all, Brayden.

Given the replies from others, itt does sound like a problem with the Hilux.

Cheers
John
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Reply By: Member - Peter E1 (VIC) - Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 17:13

Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 17:13
We have a 12 foot jayco towed by a Hilux 2.7 petrol and no problems at all. Your weights seem to be pretty high for the size of the van, but the 3.0 should tow easy. They can handle bigger vans than yours without too much drama.
Are you sure the ute is ok?
The 12.5 foot Jayco is certainly not a big van by any means but I would have a look at what you are carrying around.
Ours is 780kg Tare weight so we have only to tow about 950-980kg all up.
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Follow Up By: Brayden M1 - Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 17:57

Thursday, Apr 04, 2013 at 17:57
G'day mate I'm including all our gear we have a custom canopy and we are on the road full time travelling so I have tools, generator extra tyres etc so it all adds up, I read that the hilux is only rated at 1800kg brakes towing so I'm assuming it's getting up close to its limit
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Reply By: Member - Broodie H3 - Friday, Apr 05, 2013 at 13:07

Friday, Apr 05, 2013 at 13:07
Hi Brayden, We had the same problem towing our 23ft Roadstar also the towing capacity of the Hilux was 2250kg braked towing and when we were loaded up for the long trips we exceeded that towing capacity. I only found out about our weight problem after one of our trips and I had the van weighed while it was still fully loaded. We had the 3ltr turbo diesel and the motor pulled the van nicely so we stuck to the 3ltr when we traded for the Nissan Pathfinder ti 550,it has a 3ltr v6 diesel motor better towing capacity [3.5 tonne] and fuel economy than the Toyota Hi lux and my mates Prado [he has the same sized van]. We don't have any towing problems at all now. I hope this is of some assistance to you.
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Follow Up By: Brayden M1 - Friday, Apr 05, 2013 at 13:34

Friday, Apr 05, 2013 at 13:34
Thanks mate that's a great help!
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