HAND HELD HF (RFDS,VKS737,ETC) RADIOS

Submitted: Saturday, Jan 31, 2004 at 15:22
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Yes,there is a true HF hand held radio .This is the type which may be used for Royal Flying Doctor Service communication or VKS737 (4WD & Radio Club) or State Emergency Service,etc. I emphasize that I do not refer to the 27Mhz CB hand helds,which technically are also HF radio(but only have a short range of around 1-3 km at most).
The tiny hand helds I refer to, and often use, are a very special product made for specialty communicatin needs like military covert or stealth operations or bushwalkers in very remote areas who need long distance ultra light HF communications.
I frequently use mine in remote areas of Australia,like in the Kimberleys or on the Canning Stock Route in WA. I sometimes leave my my wife in a camp site base in the bush and go exploring by 4Wd for a day or two.
I am often 50 to 150 km or so away from base,but use these radios to check into base twice daily and report my position. My radios are set to 5.330 and 6.842 MHZ
These radios are about the size of an average mobile phone and require 8xaa batteries to operate. It is necessary to deploy a long wire dipole antenna which plugs into the top of the radio and the other ends attach to a tree, bush, fence or car,or anything you can attach a piece of wire to.
Communication over hundreds of km is normally achieved. I recently used mine between Darwin and Kakadoo,quite q few hundred km,with perfect voice transmission and reception. Power output is about 1 watt,and the batteries last a long time.The radio has capacity for two frequencies between about 4mhz and 7mhz and operates on USB. It is called a Condor,and the model is 8833. Mine cost around $US1700 in 1997.The radios come in a yellow waterproof shoulder bag,fully self contained with the antenna,and ready to instantly deploy in about 2-3 minutes.
I direct these comments to 'Hardy' who posted a question on the availability of hand held HF radios on 31.8.02(ref archived post No. 1869) and the incorrect reply made to his question by 'Nigel' on 1.9.02 (archived answer ID No.6232).If either of these gentlemen read this,you are welcome to contact me via this forum. Regards. Roman (Melbourne,Australia)
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Reply By: Mad Dog Morgan (Geelong) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2004 at 17:39

Saturday, Jan 31, 2004 at 17:39
Thanks Roman. I did a search for further info and came up with this.

Condor BEAM ME UP SCOTTY


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Reply By: Member - Raymond - Saturday, Jan 31, 2004 at 18:23

Saturday, Jan 31, 2004 at 18:23
Roman
I notice that they are only 1 watt compared to the Q-Mac 50watts Codan and Barrett at 100watts, do they have selcall to wake up the base stations
Raywanderin' in retirement. victor 2010
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog Morgan (Geelong) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2004 at 18:28

Saturday, Jan 31, 2004 at 18:28
Well it doesn't look like they have selcall but that could be added with the Jenal mic but they're about $400. There's no way that a few small battery cells that the condor runs on will pump out 50 watts BEAM ME UP SCOTTY


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Follow Up By: romska - Sunday, Feb 01, 2004 at 14:42

Sunday, Feb 01, 2004 at 14:42
The Condor 8833 hand helds do not have selcall (as asked by Ray). Mindful that the purpose of the Condor is to provide good voice communication over hundreds of km but at ultra light weight for bushwalkers,selcall is quite unecessary,as in practice all you need to do is to wait for a scheduled voice call time at the base station. Whilst 50 watt Qmac or 100 watt Barret/Codan using the standard autotune antennas do provide excellent communications,one watt with an excellent wire dipole is virtually as good,especially evenings and at night. The Jemal mike referred to by Mad Dog in his comments is totally unrealistic as the Condor has not the power to run the mike. I also mention that the other comment by Mad Dog,that a Yaesu FT 817 is an alternative to the Condor,is also unrealistic,as the Yaesu is about 8 times bigger and heavier AND you would need a large car battery to lug with you AND you would need a decent tuner to carry AND a suitable antenna. If you are reading this,Mad Dog,I say these things with utmost respect and with due regard to your sincerity and our common interests.The Condor is self contained and you could slip it in your pocket.You are right however,Mad Dog,that to use the Yaesu an Amateur Licence is needed,but such a license is NOT easy to get.I know.To the best of my knowledge Morse has not been dropped yet,but full call no longer require 10wpm,only 5.But I could be wrong.As to your question, Dave from Fraser Coast 4wd Club, yes Qmac still make the portable HF90,a superb radio(but the portable kit is about 15 times bigger than a Condor)which is extremely versatile. Regards. Roman
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog Morgan (Geelong) - Sunday, Feb 01, 2004 at 15:20

Sunday, Feb 01, 2004 at 15:20
I'm not sure what Yaesu radio your're talking about Roman but the Yaesu ft 817 is a true portable self contained multimode radio with dimensions of 135x38x165mm and weighs about 1 kilogram. It operates from 8 AA batteries or the available 9 volt recharageable pack with selectable power levels of .5 1 2.5 or 5 watts and covers the whole hf spectrum and the 6m 2m and 70cm amateur bands. All this for only $1500 oz. Hoist up a dipole or a multiband such as a windom or g5rv and you're away transmitting with no tuner or large car battery.

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Follow Up By: Mad Dog Morgan (Geelong) - Sunday, Feb 01, 2004 at 15:25

Sunday, Feb 01, 2004 at 15:25
Sorry Fat fingers but to carry on.

An amateur licence is not difficult as it used to be. A novice licence has been available for a number of years and will get you on HF with very basic knowledge.

Yes the requirement for cw was dropped as of the 1st Jan 2004. I now have full privilages after operating for 27yrs with a limited licence.

I'm not sure about the current draw of the Jenal Mic
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog Morgan (Geelong) - Sunday, Feb 01, 2004 at 15:37

Sunday, Feb 01, 2004 at 15:37
Jenal Mic current draw from www.jenal.com

55ma max
8ma idle

Not a huge draw even with small cells BEAM ME UP SCOTTY


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Follow Up By: Mad Dog Morgan (Geelong) - Sunday, Feb 01, 2004 at 16:00

Sunday, Feb 01, 2004 at 16:00
I was just looking at the novice hf freqs and it not really great. A bit on 80m 15m and 10m the jump between 80m to 15m doesn't allow for a good daytime freq. One would really to sit the limited\full exam BEAM ME UP SCOTTY


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Reply By: Mad Dog Morgan (Geelong) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2004 at 18:23

Saturday, Jan 31, 2004 at 18:23
Gee, what a price for such a basic rig. The other option is the yaesu ft 817 but you'll need an amateur radio ticket which is not hard to get these days and the requirement for morse code has been removed for operation on HF since Jan 1st BEAM ME UP SCOTTY


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Reply By: Dave from Fraser Coast 4WD Club - Saturday, Jan 31, 2004 at 18:49

Saturday, Jan 31, 2004 at 18:49
Do Q-Mac still do the portable units??

Haven't seen them advertised for a while!
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog Morgan (Geelong) - Sunday, Feb 01, 2004 at 15:43

Sunday, Feb 01, 2004 at 15:43
yeah still available and haven't they got some interesting gear

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Reply By: Member - Bear - Tuesday, Feb 24, 2004 at 18:58

Tuesday, Feb 24, 2004 at 18:58
Roman

I have checked out the Condor web site and have tried to email the company listed without success. Could you advise me where I can obtain more details about the Condor and if anyone in Aust deals in this unit.

Regards
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