Driving Lights Quality
Submitted: Monday, May 06, 2013 at 20:49
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Lloyd W1
Hi All,
In the process of getting our NT Pajero set up for our
Kimberley via Tanami trip in June/July and costs are starting to add up which brings me to lights.
We're not "planning" on doing any night driving but am thinking we should be prepared just in case and was recommended the below lights by my local 4WD
shop for $300 pair including wiring kit (I think installation was extra)
HID Driving Lights
I'm just wondering if the quality of these lights is any good and if anyone has had any experience with them?
Also seems odd that the price is less than half what I was quoted but other items I've researched the 4WD
shop has been around the mark.
Cheers, Lloyd
Reply By: Member - J&R - Monday, May 06, 2013 at 21:02
Monday, May 06, 2013 at 21:02
You get what you pay for.
Save your money. You can drive at night with the standard lighting.
You can be prepared. If it were me, I'd upgrade the bulbs to new Philips, but not the blue ones (definitely not HID). And then drive to the conditions.
Let's face it, you can get almost everywhere in Aus on a pushbike.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Monday, May 06, 2013 at 22:36
Monday, May 06, 2013 at 22:36
"You get what you pay for"
Maybe in the good ole days but not any more - businesses/manufacturers charge what they can get away with so price is no longer an indicator of quality or suitability.
I agree though that while extra lighting is nice to have, if cautious and care is taken not absolutely necessary.
Garry
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Reply By: GimmeeIsolation - Monday, May 06, 2013 at 21:50
Monday, May 06, 2013 at 21:50
Lived up there for many years, I'm with everybody else. Don't fit them, you will not need them and should not drive at night anyway.
I did fit them myself because over the years there were occasions that I needed to drive at night/before dawn but you are on holidays.
If by some remote chance you need to drive at night to meet the Royal Flying Doctor (why else would you be driving ?) just drive slower.
There ARE stock that wander out day and night but at night they blend in and if you hit one you will be kaput.
When up that way, pull up in the arvo to sit back and enjoy the sunset and peace and quiet to recharge yourself, chill out and have a chat.
Save your coin and enjoy your trip.
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Reply By: Member - eighty matey - Monday, May 06, 2013 at 22:45
Monday, May 06, 2013 at 22:45
G'day Lloyd,
I've always had spotties on the front and needed them plenty of times.
If you are sure you wil only be travelling in daylight hours, it stands to reason you won't use them. If by chance you travel at night a set of spotties will be invaluable.
It doesn't matter what bulbs you have in your standard headlights, they will disappear to nothing travelling on outback roads, and you'll be struggling to see clearly more than a couple of hundred metres.
A set of a spotlight and a spreader will light up the road, and to the sides, to make driving so much easier at night.
The other option is standard headlights and sit on 60 kph max.
At the moment I have a set of Narva 225mm halogen. They cost $269 from Repco on special and I got the Auto Electrician to fit them up and it cost me about $50.
I don't have HID headlights, so I didn't get HID
driving lights. They each have a different type of light and the two different lights at night can be distracting to the eye.
I hope this helps.
Hoo roo,
Steve
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Follow Up By: Echucan Bob - Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 08:54
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 08:54
Steve,
I'll also vouch for the Narva 225s. I fitted cheap Chinese 55W HID inserts to
mine and the light they spear out is just ridiculous.
Having said that, I do a lot of night highway commuting where skippy rules.
My advice to Lloyd would be to not bother.
Bob
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Follow Up By: kiwicol - Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 12:27
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 12:27
Have to agree with Lloyd. But I would go with the hella rally 4000. I have them on my truck as
well as the 4by
If you go on ebay you can get them delivered to your door from Germany for about $360 a pair which is more than half of what you would pay here.
Most heavy transport use these lamps as they are metal frame and very robust.
I would also go for 2 pencil beams as your standard lights will give plenty of spread.
Col
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Follow Up By: Member - eighty matey - Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 19:19
Wednesday, May 08, 2013 at 19:19
I have the spotties on the Cruiser because I do a lot of night running for work and when I'm not.
I chose the Narvas for the price and quality but I know they have excellent backup if something goes wrong with the product Australia wide.
I'd say to Bob, if he has a spare $350 put on a set because if he needs them he'll really appreciate the benefits of increased visibility.
Hoo roo.
Steve
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Reply By: Member - Mark (Tamworth NSW) - Monday, May 06, 2013 at 23:19
Monday, May 06, 2013 at 23:19
Lloyd
The cheap lights just don't have the "quality" of more expensive ones, ultimately they will fail, mountings, lenses, glass screens etc...
The more corrugations you put them through, the quicker the failing. So I found after using some cheap Chinese HIDs for 2 years. Then I stuck a HIDs into my old Cibie Super Oscars, and been very happy ever since. One of the Super Oscars was 30 years old til a roo took it out.
However, I would not buy any spotlights just for the above trip as you shouldn't be driving at night, you should be set up in
camp by approx 2 hours before sunset. It is diabolical trying to set up
camp,
cook and clean up in the dark.
I use my spotlights on long trips back
home at night in western NSW, they are magic. But when we do go camping or doing long tours we rarely if ever drive at night. The same can be said for a Bull/roo bar, a waste of money on a camping trip.
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Reply By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Monday, May 06, 2013 at 23:22
Monday, May 06, 2013 at 23:22
Hi Lloyd,
Those lights you referenced are exactly the same as I fitted to the Troopy 12 months ago except I paid twice the price! They replaced a pair of big Oscars which vibrated madly and blocked air to the radiator. They have been excellent, far superior to the headlights.
As the guys have said, you rarely need to drive off-road at night, however there can be occasions where you may need to. I have found it necessary a couple of times on the blacktop to reach a destination in the early evening. And should it be an emergency, I am unlikely to want to keep the speed down to 60kph. They also serve as a backup to the headlights should a lamp fail. The difference in light colour to the headlights is of no consequence..... they completely override the headlights anyway.
So sure, you don't have to have them but they can be useful. And those you are considering are good value. Just be sure to wire them
well with adequate sized cable and a relay controlled from your high-beam circuit so they go off when you go to low-beam.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Monday, May 06, 2013 at 23:25
Monday, May 06, 2013 at 23:25
PS.
You can see the old Cibie Oscars in the photo below blocking airflow.
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 07:59
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 07:59
Lloyd,
I have the same lights and as Allan and they are a good. Have had them for nearly 4 years and they have never given any trouble. They have been over many rough tracks and corrugations with no ill effects in that time. Lights have now been on 2 vehicles and look like new.
I also don't use them much these days. They are really good on unfenced roads and especially if the property owner is running Brangus cattle.
The only thing I would recommend is one spot beam reflector and one flood beam reflector.
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Follow Up By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 08:28
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 08:28
My beam pattern is "Eurobeam" which is something of a compromise between 'spot' and 'flood'. It seems OK for my slow old Troopy (or is it me that's slow & old? LOL)
I do not need to see 1km up the road, I am more concerned at what is waiting in the wings to jump out at me!
Rockape's recommendation of one spot and one flood is probably a good idea.
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 08:47
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 08:47
Lloyd and Allan,
I have to make an editorial retraction and apology.
Sorry but my lights are these from Derek at ABR Sidewinder.
Here is the link.
HID spot and flood lts
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Reply By: cookie1 - Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 19:29
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 at 19:29
We generally set up
camp around 3pm, collect a bit of wood for a fire, few beers, dinner. We found a perfect spot near the flooded
Cooper Creek and was very relaxing.
About the time I finished cooking tea we had millions of bugs come from nowhere and it really was intolerable, couldn't eat, couldn't talk, nothing, bugs were in our drinks over our food etc etc you get the drift.
We were forced to pack up very quickly in the dark and get out of there,
well all I can say is thank goodness that I had some good spotlights as I have never seen Kangaroos on the
Birdsville track, but I did this night as
well as an owl etc.
Without the lights there is a likelihood that there may have been some fauna killed that night. It gives you the ability to see a little further than ordinary so that you have plenty of time to take evasive action.
I don't normally drive at night in the outback so they don't get used that often.
Have you looked at Lightforce? I have them and can honestly say that I have found them very good.
Cheers
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Reply By: Bob Y. - Qld - Thursday, May 09, 2013 at 11:26
Thursday, May 09, 2013 at 11:26
Lloyd,
Don't have any experience with those lights, but they are sold by a number of different outlets, and seem sturdy enough. Good price too.
Driving lights are a form of insurance, always there if you need them. As
well as the increased light output, and better vision, they also aid in reducing eye strain for the driver, and any passenger who might be still awake(or too scared to sleep anyway!!!)
I do 25-30 hours/week night driving, and with a combination of LED light bars, and HID
driving lights, rarely get eye strain, and with good vision, driving is less stressful.
Doubt if the nay-sayers would cancel their comprehensive insurance, just because they'd never had an accident.
Bob.
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Follow Up By: Member - evaredy - Friday, May 10, 2013 at 16:41
Friday, May 10, 2013 at 16:41
I have just purchased some Vision X LED Spotties for that very reason, They were pricey compared to some that are out there, but I wanted something that could handle some rough going and give good light. I will not be doing very much night driving, but I want them there just in case.
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