Hiclones

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Hi everyone , have seen the adds on telly and had a look on the website , and just wondering if anyone has installed a Hiclone or knows if all the hype is for real . Thanks.
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Reply By: Skulldug - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 18:03

Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 18:03
Ian,

They do work but only if you have the white lettering on your tyres on the outside.

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Follow Up By: Aussi Traveller - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 18:12

Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 18:12
You must have your snorkel head facing backwards and if you tow a trailer with a few 44s in it you can collect the extra fuel as well.
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Follow Up By: Member - Keith P (NSW) - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 19:21

Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 19:21
HAHA..thats agood one skull...
I bought a RB30 GQ a few years ago and it had one fitted inside the air cleaner. Drove it for a while with the thing still installed..and then one day removed it ...and the ole RB 30 just lit up !!. So yeah ..they really work....NOT!!.
IMO ...it would make a great frisbee I reckon.
Still have it out in the shed somewhere...free to good home if anyone is that desperate.

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Follow Up By: Steve M1 (NSW) - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 21:04

Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 21:04
I've lurked this forum since just after it started and there've been some lively discussions re: Hiclones. I'll save you time going thru the archives; don't bother with it. Pretty unanimous.
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 12:48

Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 12:48
I heard it only works in conjunction with the Peter Brock ioniser..?
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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 18:15

Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 18:15
Here ya go read away for the next week or so!!
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Reply By: Cruiser . - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 18:45

Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 18:45
Simple answer is NO
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Reply By: member - mazcan - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 19:00

Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 19:00
hi
short answer no
if you mount an 80 foot mask on your 4wd and a big sail you'll not use as much fuel either
don't waste your time the only people that reckon they work are the salesmen selling them
because it has the ability to extract money from your bank acct and put it theirs I tried one years ago that I borrowed and the effect it had on my mazda diesel was the same as if I had of stuffed a piece of rag in the intake
it choked it
luckily I didn't have to fight a sales man to get my money back
just gave it back to the bloke who lent it to me
the comment on here by others are about right imho
any one who believes in hi-clones also believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden
cheers
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Follow Up By: Jarse - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 19:20

Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 19:20
You hit the nail on the head, mazcan.

How can putting an obstruction into your induction system make it work better?

It can't.
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Reply By: Rob K (VIC) - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 20:17

Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 20:17
Hi Ian,

It's another "no" from me. Could have spent the money on fuel for another trip somewhere!

Cheers

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Reply By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 20:22

Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 20:22
Ian,
The Hiclone is promoted as a device to create a swirling (or "cyclonic") motion to the air entering the engine to better mix the air/fuel mixture and hence improve combustion.
Sadly, although alluded to, there has never been an authoritative independent test supporting its effectiveness. There have however been some poor deluded souls who, having spent their money, insist that the thing actually works!


The claims are ridiculous to anyone with an understanding of fluid dynamics.
Even if the Hiclone did impart a swirling motion, this behaviour would soon be destroyed as the air passes through the intake and manifold convolutions. The flow would almost immediately become what is known as "turbulent" or randomly disordered with no component of "cyclonic"behaviour. Ironically, this turbulent air flow is the best possible form to produce effective mixing of the air and fuel and the Hiclone aims to defeat it!


The only predictable effect of a Hiclone in the air induction path of an engine is to restrict the flow of air and hence reduce engine performance.
It has one other unfavourable feature....... it is constructed of fairly fragile metal which would, should the device fracture, send pieces of metal into the engine bores.


The Hiclone website states.... "The Hiclone is intended to be a fuel saving device....." Well it might 'intend' to be but............!
It beats me how someone can proclaim such absolute nonsense without being an elected politician.


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Reply By: Ross M - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 20:23

Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 20:23
In this case it is just a partial grip on your windpipe. Not too tight but enough to make a big difference to breathing.
Anyone for engine Emphysema or Bronchitis.

Hiclone seller must have found their DVD with the ad on it and thought, why not, new era, new suckers, correction, consumers and we still have a warehouse full of "product".
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Reply By: Member - Rosco from way back - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 20:51

Tuesday, May 28, 2013 at 20:51
Snake oil. By the way I've got a set of rollers that fit under the Storey Bridge a treat .. for prospective buyers.
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Follow Up By: Member - Hunter Gatherer - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 12:18

Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 12:18
Rosco from way way back, what are you asking for the set of rollers, I may be interested !!!!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Rosco from way back - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 12:30

Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 12:30
Mate ... I've got more than I currently need, so I'd probably be prepared to make a clean swap for 8 used Hiclones.

I reckon if I slip one into each of the ports on the inlet manifold it would only cost me 2 tanks of fuel to do a loop of the big island... towing my D9.
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Follow Up By: Member - Hunter Gatherer - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 12:57

Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 12:57
I think you are a genius !!!!
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Reply By: Member - Scott M (NSW) - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 13:29

Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 13:29
I'm appalled at all the negativity here.

All those who claim it doesn't work obviously installed it the wrong way around. If you get it the right way around the Coriolis effect doesn't cancel out the cyclonic effect. You've just got to get it spinning the right way.
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Follow Up By: Member - Broodie H3 - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 13:51

Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 13:51
Hey Scott,
now your really spinning it, and I take it, it spins to the left./ or was that right.
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Follow Up By: gbc - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 19:39

Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 19:39
Ah, that's what happened. I must have installed the hiclone in the northern hemisphere position because during the last cyclone I turned over the trusty cruiser and the ensuing double negative caused it to disappear up its own tailpipe!
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 23:54

Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 23:54
gbc

That would make it an ooja crooza.

The now extinct Ooja bird flew in ever decreasing circles until it flew up it's own ar-e.
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Reply By: Matthew G3 - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 13:46

Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 13:46
Hi IAN
I have a 93 1 HZJ 80 series with 2 fitted, with the 170lt rear tank the most I ever got out of it was 1214km to it started to cough and splutter. With 2 properly fitted hyclones I got 1264km running from Darwin to Alice in the wet season, 100% humidity with the A/C on. People can laugh at them, but after 13 years in the old girl, I`m the one laughing at them!!!
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Follow Up By: Tonyfish#58 - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 16:27

Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 16:27
Mathew - One comparison! I can do that much better & worse in my car without them :-)

Just change how hard I out my foot down :-)

One day the Myth Busters will have a go at this one :-)

Cheers Tony
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Follow Up By: mountainman - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 18:11

Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 18:11
.5 of a litre difference makes some pretty poor comparison.
you saved 5ltrs max..
1hz will get from 11 to 14 on average fuel use.

you could have had a tail wind.
been diferent temps outside.

their will always be someone that believes it, and 2 hiclones to get that diference... naah
too many variables.

you dont see manufacturers using it...
never ever will
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Follow Up By: Member - MUZBRY(Vic) - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 19:52

Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 19:52
Gday Mathew
Darwin to Alice is all down hill, try it on the way back and see how you go...

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Follow Up By: Member - Hunter Gatherer - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 20:39

Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 20:39
MUZBRY, you always make a lot of sense anyone with half a brain should have picked that up if they were reading the map the right way up !!!! Enjoy reading your comments that you make from time to time.
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Follow Up By: Aussi Traveller - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 22:06

Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 22:06
Darwin is on the coast, so it is just above sea level.

A quick google search shows that Alice Spings is :Alice Springs is 608 metres, or 1998 feet above sea level.
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Follow Up By: Stu & "Bob" - Thursday, May 30, 2013 at 09:33

Thursday, May 30, 2013 at 09:33
I have a HZJ105 with the 170 litre long range tank fitted, but WITHOUT the hiclones.
The best that I have done was 1860 km, travelling from Cairns to the Northern Tableland area of NSW via Roma.
Vehicle had a full camping load on with 4 people on board.

My .02
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Reply By: landed eagle - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 15:02

Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 15:02
They work well ,but ONLY if you have the torque differentiator correctly aligned and the reciprocal discombobulator wound right up.
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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 16:27

Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 16:27
Yep about to put one in the old Victor and the thing should be able to mow the lawn and make fuel for the genny. Must remember to only half fill the tank so it doesn't overflow while running.
I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.

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Follow Up By: Ross M - Thursday, May 30, 2013 at 12:01

Thursday, May 30, 2013 at 12:01
VICTOR? Victor who?

You mean VICTA if you are an AUSSIE.
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Reply By: MAVERICK(WA) - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 18:24

Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 18:24
I had one fitted in the aircleaner for years in the old 4.2 petrol carby Maverick - it didn't do any damage...........took it out a couple of years ago and.............nothing changed. rgds
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Reply By: Member - John D, Wandong (Vic) - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 19:06

Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 19:06
Has anyone tried fitting a Flux Capacitor to their vehicle, way better than the Hiclone, they have been around for years....Doc Brown swears by them!!!
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 21:28

Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 21:28
Hi

But the Fire power fuel saver really worked, just ask some of the Fed departments that got stung.
I really liked those Magnetic fuel improvers, they had to be connected the right way too, otherwise the engine ran backwards.


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Reply By: equinox - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 21:29

Wednesday, May 29, 2013 at 21:29
Similar to the Encabulator2




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Follow Up By: Bushranger1 - Thursday, May 30, 2013 at 08:02

Thursday, May 30, 2013 at 08:02
Ha ha ha.
That is absolutely brilliant!!!!
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Follow Up By: Jarse - Thursday, May 30, 2013 at 08:12

Thursday, May 30, 2013 at 08:12
This is a classic video! I noticed on my old-tech diesel the sinusoidal reluctance is poorer than that in a D4D.

Apparently it is produced by the modial interaction of magneto reluctance and capacitive duractence.

Wait a minute - THAT'S A HICLONE!!!! hahahahahahaha

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Follow Up By: Member - Broodie H3 - Thursday, May 30, 2013 at 11:52

Thursday, May 30, 2013 at 11:52
For $750,000,000.00 I think I got my moneys worth of laughs, need to take that on my next camping trip for the comedy night . thanks
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Thursday, May 30, 2013 at 16:38

Thursday, May 30, 2013 at 16:38
A mate of a mates brotherinlaw's sister had a boyfriend who's Aunt's 3rd cousin was married to a bloke who actually got a refund from Hiclone when he found that the thing doesn't work if you only put in 1 ,, you really need to fit as many as your wallet or credit card will allow for there to be any benefit in fuel savings at all as all that restriction will mean the vehicle will not go at all ,ergo saving fuel........
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Reply By: Batt's - Saturday, Jun 01, 2013 at 10:16

Saturday, Jun 01, 2013 at 10:16
Ian trying one is the only way to find out most people who bag them have never even tried one and claim they have no interest in trying one so I'm not sure how they can make a judgement or claim on something they know nothing about. Now I believe Hiclone does make unrealistic claims with their power and fuel economy gains. I have written on here before about my personal experience with using them. I did get results with a 12HT turbo diesel cruiser when placed before the turbo it made the turbo cut in 300rpm earlier and I did get better fuel economy because the turbo is working over a wider band so you don't need to use as much throttle to get the same results. I didn't notice any difference when I had one in a TD5 disco. It has mixed results for those willing to try a friend got more power out of a V6 prado but said it used more fuel another friend put one in a 4cylinder 4runner and said it definitely improved the power .It can't hurt to give one a go you have nothing to loose with their money back guarantee the supplier fits it if it doesn't work he removes it and you get your money back no extra cost for fitting or removing no harm done then you will have a definite answer to your question.
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Follow Up By: Aussi Traveller - Saturday, Jun 01, 2013 at 10:55

Saturday, Jun 01, 2013 at 10:55
Well Batt's I tried one and sent it back for a refund as it was a worthless peice of crap, there you go tried tested and failed..
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Follow Up By: Batt's - Saturday, Jun 01, 2013 at 13:12

Saturday, Jun 01, 2013 at 13:12
That's good at least you have tried it one type of car
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Saturday, Jun 01, 2013 at 16:52

Saturday, Jun 01, 2013 at 16:52
HI
I also tried one in a short wheel 4drive landcruiser[ petrol ] GAINED ABSOLUtLY NOTHING
TESTED MANY TIME RUNNING THE VEHICLE OVER THE SAME ROUTE & running tank until empty & then each time replacing with SAME quanity of full
But I did do better when I added a home made water injection system


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Reply By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Saturday, Jun 01, 2013 at 17:35

Saturday, Jun 01, 2013 at 17:35
The Hiclone website makes many unsubstantiated claims.
Apart from claimed "testimonials" they post "Road Tests ("Not dyno figures") that claim fuel economy improvement of up to 53.3% !!!!!!!
Dynamometer evaluations are well established as the industry standard for vehicle performance yet Hiclone spurn this practice in favour of hearsay expressions by non-accredited persons. Why does Hiclone avoid dynamometer assessment? Pretty obvious really.

Hiclone claim the awards shown in the screen grab below:
Not surprisingly, a search of each of these "Exhibitions" produces no result other than a reference back to Hiclone themselves. Obviously there are no such awards. Another Hiclone porkie!


It is distressing that some people are misled into thinking that this product can improve their vehicles performance. Hiclone claim "Incalculable Value". It certainly is incalculable.
Hiclone avoid action from aggrieved customers by offering a "30 day refund". Simple evasion card.
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Reply By: Batt's - Saturday, Jun 01, 2013 at 20:53

Saturday, Jun 01, 2013 at 20:53
4X4 australia magazine done their own test yrs ago after lots of people were asking about them from memory they used an 80 series diesel they dynoed it before and kepted notes on their economy. After they installed 1 hiclone I think they got around 0.5lph better & then they tried 2 units and got 1ltr or more better I'm don't remember the exact figures but they gained. They put it on the dyno and they had lost 2kw of power.
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Reply By: Batt's - Saturday, Jun 01, 2013 at 21:00

Saturday, Jun 01, 2013 at 21:00
Maybe hiclone is leading by example by offering a money back garantee wouldn't it be good if new car dealers done the same thing when you spend tens of thousands of dollars on a lemon.
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