Multiple Tyre Plugs
Submitted: Saturday, Jun 08, 2013 at 21:17
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Lloyd W1
Hi All,
Learnt the hard way today that buying things on ebay can be a false economy sometimes :(
Picked up a second hand Bridgestone LTD697 as my spare and had it fitted a couple of weeks ago to only find out today it was flat.
Upon closer inspection and some detergent spray on the tyre I found a few small/slow leaks on the shoulder of the tyre.
I have sent the ebay seller an email to see what he says but I am wondering is it possible to put some plugs in the tyre and still have it as a useable spare?
We're heading up the
Kimberley in 2 weeks so need to sort something out pretty soon.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers, Lloyd
Reply By: Idler Chris - Sunday, Jun 09, 2013 at 10:56
Sunday, Jun 09, 2013 at 10:56
I would never put in a tube. They are trouble waiting to happen in most situations for most people. A quick fix is a plug put in from the outside. A better fix is a good quality internal patch like a rema tip-top patch, correctly fitted or a mushroom plug also internally fitted. If the damage is greater than can be fixed by these two methods then the tyre is to dangerous to use anyway and if you were to use a tube it is unlikely to last long.
The two biggest problems with tubes are their quality has deteriorated and that on newer vehicles, particularly with alloys, the profile of the rims are not tube friendly. Also if you were to use a tube you would have to remove any internal TPMS which is the last thing you want to do with a tyre you are having an issue with.
This advice is for those of you who are unsure as to which way to go. This advice will work every time. There will be people who will say they have used tubes and never had an issue and there are certainly circumstances when a tube will fix a problem. However the fact remains that a internal patch or plug is safer and more likely to fix the problem and in many case the fix, if done correctly, will last the life of the tyre.
I do a lot of very remote outback travel so I need to be able repair punctures safely and reliably which is the basis of my recommendations. If you do not travel in extreme situations then you may be able to get away with not being able to to get to the inside of your tyres to be able to fix them.
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Follow Up By: Member - The old fellow - Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 08:02
Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 08:02
Hi. I have a near new BFG. a/t that was staked very high on the wall. Stake about 7mm in diameter.
Had a patch put on the inside and plugged, put in a heavy duty tube.
Can't see it being a problem. Any Opinions ?
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Follow Up By: Idler Chris - Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 08:32
Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 08:32
How do you put a patch over a hole that has a plug in it? Who did this repair? And are you giving your insurance company an out should you have an accident?
If you are going to use a tube a heavy duty tube should be the minimum.
As mentioned by others a repaired tyre is not as safe or as reliably as a tyre without repairs. The level of risk to life and limb will depend on where you go and what you do - your call.
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Follow Up By: Member - The old fellow - Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 09:07
Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 09:07
Thanks Chris. My error a plug may not have been used , it was a patch about 5cm in diameter. Didn't see it being done but looked an extremely neat job. Edges of patch were feathered neatly, Looked a better job than some plugs.
May just use it as a spare although I weep when thinking of the of another new tyre !!
Can't remember the town where it was repaired but it was a reasonably large tyre service centre.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 09:52
Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 09:52
It would have been a mushroom plug from the inside of the tyre - the way modern tyres are correctly repaired these days (and is safe). The plugs that we all carry with us and push through from the outside are for emergency use and are not intended for permanent use - yes we all do it and many do not have an issue. What should happen is that when these plugs are used, you take the tyre to a repairer at the next opportunity and get a proper repair done.
As far as tubes in modern radials - is a hit an miss affair. The inside of modern radials is rougher than the old bias ply and often have ribs in the inside moulding. This roughness and ribs can cause the tubes to rub and wear through causing failure - again might not be an issue in some occasions but in others will fail. Again is really an emergency measure to get you out of a problem not a permanent solution.
Garry
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Follow Up By: Member - The old fellow - Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:49
Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:49
Thanks Garry You say "then get a proper repair done". This mushroom patch is a proper job?
The tube the guy put in was a normal one and I replaced it with a heave duty type.
I would have thought that the mushroom patch along with the HD tube would be ok but if the consensus is don't use it I will retire the tyre to being a spare.
Many thanks all.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 13:59
Monday, Jun 10, 2013 at 13:59
If the tyre has repaired properly the no tube will be needed. Tyre fitters will not repair a tyre if the repair will not meet safety requirements.
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