Colorado v Dmax

Submitted: Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 17:07
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Gday all,

Looking to update my Colorado, been pretty happy with it, 2011 auto diesel with over 100,000km on it and (touch wood) no probs.

Anyone got a current model Colorado with a few kms on it? How are they going? Any major dramas been heard of?

Im looking at a Dmax because from what I hear they are pretty close to my Colorado.

Any advice much appreciated before I go spending.

Cheers
Croc
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Reply By: rodnirene - Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 19:28

Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 19:28
Hi Croc, I too am tossing between these 2 vehicles. If thinking auto, the Colorado has now a 6 speed versus 5 speed in D-max.
I am keen to see any responses
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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 19:48

Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 19:48
The 5 speed in the D.Max is a brilliant unit and is the same as used in the Prado. Check out what the Colorado, s fuel economy is against the D.Max, won't come close.
Cheers Bruce
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Reply By: 2weis - Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 19:28

Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 19:28
i have a 2013 colorado 7 auto and have just done a trip from brisbane to cameron corner / innaminka / dig tree and return and did not have any worries at all
have now got 7000 klm on clock and on the trip we avv 16.2L /100klm towing about 2.3ton
i felt it towed very well much better than my previous vehicle
my only problem is with the sound system which is only for the first 3 klm each morning
brian
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Reply By: Isuzumu - Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 19:42

Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 19:42
Croc, the main difference between the two is the drive train, the Colorado runs a Fiat motor, same as used in the Jeep Wrangler.
We have a D.Max which has done 34, 000 Ks, lastest model,17000 Ks in 15 weeks doing the GRR and the Gulf with out one problem. We have put ours thru some interesting situations Mitchell Falls track was a wash in water and the D.Max just ate it up. IUA Isuzu Ute Australia are great to deal with to.
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Follow Up By: 99problems - Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 20:40

Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 20:40
I treated my Dmax with contempt for 12 months, they are bullet proof.
The Colorado may have a bit more get up and go, but Id trade that for reliability everyday of the week.

I only traded it on a 76 series because it was a little tight for three kids (two in baby seats) in the back.


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Follow Up By: Nutta - Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 21:55

Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 21:55
Whats unreliable about the new Colorado?
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Reply By: Member - Keith Q - Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 21:20

Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 21:20
I have an earlier Colorado with a 3.0 litre engine, same as the D Max. Its a great ute. I believe that D Max is still using the same engine, but the Colorado is using a 2.8 litre engine. Higher displacement means less mechanical stress for the same engine output. I'd go for the one with a 3.0 litre engine.
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Follow Up By: Nutta - Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 21:54

Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 21:54
Wow, a whole .2 litres, massive stress saving!
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Follow Up By: Member - John D, Wandong (Vic) - Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 22:55

Sunday, Aug 18, 2013 at 22:55
I'd go for the 3 litre TD also, but my reason is because it is an Isuzu engine! My 2005 3.0 TD Rodeo has clocked 270,000 and is still going strong, the Isuzu is a great motor!
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Follow Up By: Member - Keith Q - Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 01:16

Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 01:16
Nutta

Extra 0.2 litres gives 7% more capacity than the 2.8 litre engine. Essentially that means 7% less pressure on the pistons to achieve the same output.
I believe that's worth having. But I accept that you may disagree.
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 08:52

Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 08:52
Nutta
To get more torque and power out of a 2.8 Litre than a 3 Ltre it has to be forced with more air boost pressure and have peak cylinder pressures more than the 3Litre.

Very similar to VW Amarok which is only two litres and really has to pump it all in to get the power out.

What the long term life is of these engines doing a big job is yet to be seen.
One of the other posts a couple of days ago is about engine size and discussing that exact issue.

It is interesting what the general public will readily believe.
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Follow Up By: Nutta - Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:13

Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:13
I agree, obviously technology and design plays a large part too, valves per cylinder, rod/stroke ratios, variable cams etc, so it's not just all about turbos either, the isuzu is becoming an old design although still a good one.
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 17:14

Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 17:14
" To get more torque and power out of a 2.8 Litre than a 3 Ltre it has to be forced with more air boost pressure and have peak cylinder pressures more than the 3Litre"

Not really unless the two motors were identical in every way except capacity.

Design, types of material and surface treatment and engine component weight plays a big part..... if you can reduce weight and reduce friction you get more power.
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 17:41

Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 17:41
How radically different are these engines?
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Reply By: Croc nsw - Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 06:16

Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 06:16
Thanks to everyone for replying and your thoughts. I agree with the 3.0L sentiments, mainly because the engine has been around a lot longer then the Fiat and Isuzu has a good track record building diesels.

Thanks again for your help, will post what I buy when I do a deal.

Croc
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Reply By: ozjohn0 - Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:14

Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:14
I test drove both and settled for the Colorado.
The 2.8 Duramax Diesel has heap more torque and a 6 Speed auto.
For me, it offered a lot better value for money than the Dmax.
Ozjohn.
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 17:50

Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 17:50
It is probably quite a good engine.
The GM company use engines from anywhere they can get them, always have.
Because of the success/popularity with big diesels in America therefore, diesel engines GM get from anywhere in the world albeit from an affiliate Fiat/VM Motori, it will always be called a DURAMAX cos the name sells, sorry, says it all.
I prefer to see it as a 2.8 diesel, as the name DURAMAX doesn't make it last longer or is necessarily any better or worse.
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Reply By: member - mazcan - Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 13:53

Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 13:53
hi croc
if you go on this wesite and read the arcticle headed
----- GM, ISUZU TO CO-DEVELOP NEW UTE ---
you will see the two parent companies of both brands are still connected

they issued a joint statement back in january2013 confirming discussions about the development of new models and have signed a ' memorandum of understanding '
for again jointly sharing the next generation of pick-up trucks
if you study the current models of Colorado and the D-max you will see that the cabs are identical
dualcab windows /doors /profile rear tub etc etc for interior fittings and front bonnet headlight grille rear lights
they have the same chassis /platform
i had the rare chance at a show a about 3 of months ago where 1 of each
was parked 4mts apart and it was so very obvious that they are closely related and are sharing the same body and platforms
the engines and internal cosmetics differ
the rest is just smoke and mirrors and sales talk
and the fact that they are now built in their own thailand factory's just down the rd from each other makes it lokk and sound like there is no connection but there is

you may also be interested this article
---- Mitsubishi triton, Nissan navara to share new platform
on www.carsadvice.com.au

Mitsubishi triton and nissan navara are also in joint partnership by way of a -- jointly signed memorandum--- and will be sharing the platform for new models in the future
cheers
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Reply By: Member - Coldee - Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 19:20

Monday, Aug 19, 2013 at 19:20
Dmax engine is the difference.

A recent trip from Grafton to Wauchope along the highway. I stuck to the limit and drove it to suit the traffic rather than trying to save fuel. A full load in the back and three adults in the cab and it did 7.9L/100km.

It may only have a 5 speed box but it is never stressed. The thing rarely goes over 2000 revs.

Take both for a test drive is my best advice
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Reply By: Croc nsw - Tuesday, Aug 20, 2013 at 16:09

Tuesday, Aug 20, 2013 at 16:09
Thanks again for the advice and info, definitely will take both for a test drive.
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