Which 4x4 for a trip around Oz?

We will be towing a small boat, will not be doing any real hardcore off road, just boat ramps and easy tracks. Need something comfortable (bad back) and reasonable fuel economy. Any advice would be very helpful.
Many thanks
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Reply By: MUZBRY- Life member(Vic) - Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 07:24

Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 07:24
Good morning
You don't need a 4x4 to drive around Australia. As many on this forum have done the trip in cars . I did my first trip in a 52 Holden in 1965.

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Follow Up By: Johnnytasman - Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 07:40

Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 07:40
I need a 4x4 for towing the boat in Tasmania as well. Many of the boat ramps here are treacherous to say the least!
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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 13:41

Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 13:41
I agree with Muz.

For those ramps, 4WDs also have trouble, reach down with a rope or chain. We did it so why can't you. And then you can have a trip around the world in comfort with the savings on the purchase, rego, tyres and insurance and still come out ahead. Even a Mazda CX7 AWD. Take the rear seats out and you could fit all the comfort and "stuff and camping gear in the back. Much more room than even our 100 series. Maybe use airconditioned cabins instead of tents etc.

A bloke took me fishing just north of Townsville. We launched the boat okay, but when we came back at low tide he used a drag chain to let the trailer down to the water, put the boat on it and then used the chain to pull it all up to dry land. Just too slippery. Didn't even bother trying.

Sometimes it is worth looking outside the 4WD box.

But your choice. I wish you well.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Johnnytasman - Monday, Sep 23, 2013 at 22:08

Monday, Sep 23, 2013 at 22:08
can you explain 'reach down with a rope and chain'? I have a 5 meter Stabicraft, not heavy but not a car topper!
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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Monday, Sep 23, 2013 at 22:23

Monday, Sep 23, 2013 at 22:23
You connect a rope between the car and the boat trailer and allow it to go down to the water. Get the boat on the trailer and pull it up without having to go down the slippery or muddy launching ramp or beach with the car. I don't know your boat so this may not be an option.

This is what we did years ago before some people all of a sudden "had to have a 4wd".

Phil
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Follow Up By: Johnnytasman - Tuesday, Sep 24, 2013 at 06:41

Tuesday, Sep 24, 2013 at 06:41
Oh okay. I understand. Thanks
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Reply By: rumpig - Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 07:45

Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 07:45
maybe you should let people know a rough budget on the vehicle you are thinking of buying so people can narrow down a list for you. do you want new or secondhand also? how many people need to fit in the vehilcle aswell? are you thinking ute or wagon? etc... etc....
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Follow Up By: Johnnytasman - Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 07:48

Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 07:48
Sorry thought I did! $10K to spend, but less is better!
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 08:00

Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 08:00
Get an old Pajero - they had good seats.
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Follow Up By: Johnnytasman - Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 08:04

Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 08:04
Which model, engine? Thought they were all gas hogs!
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 08:10

Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 08:10
You should get the turbodiesel for that sort of money, but if you want to spend a lot less, you should be able to pick up the 3 litre V6 petrol for very little money. Chances are that the V6's have done very little work and are usually lower mileage. They were good reliable honest 4wds, but like any old 4wd, you need to give them a good check over. Repairs on 4wds can cost more than fuel, and the difference in running costs for medium size 4wds of that era are not a lot different - the V6 petrols require less maintenance and are cheaper to fix than the diesels.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 08:20

Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 08:20
Just go on carsales and see what you get for your money:
Pajeros for sale in Tasmania
May as well throw Petrol Prados (Pre-2002) in there too - both the 2.7 and 3.4L petrol motors were OK and comfort was OK - maybe not as good as the Pajeros.
Also if you back is bad, might be worth factoring in the cost of a second hand Recaro drivers seat. Worked well for my back on my traytop Landcruiser.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 08:23

Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 08:23
Carsales link wouldn't work - just go to http://www.carsales.com.au/. There was a diesel Pajero there in Tassie for $10k and a couple of petrols
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 08:09

Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 08:09
While I normally drive GU Patrols (petrol) we recently took a Holden Adventura up to lake Eyre to sail on it , now this car was on gas and the AWD system did work well enough.

However I would strongly suggest you just get a basic Patrol, lots of example of the pre-2000 GQ models out there.

I'm looking at another one from the later GU series at the moment as a city runabout , its currently asking 13k but its a 2004 model 4.8 and on gas (hope I can find a spot in the driveway for it).

For 10k you can buy the earlier 4500 GU wagons , but if you could go a little more you would be well served by the 4800 GU version from 2002 onwards.

These cars are just so damm versatile and you can actually fix them if required with commonly available stuff.

You need on gas though to be economical - and don't buy any car on gas unless you can be sure the head is ok.



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Follow Up By: Johnnytasman - Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 08:17

Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 08:17
Thanks, hadn't thought of gas. I 've read to stay away from the 3.0 diesels, the 4.2 are too expensive and the 4500 too expensive to run. Is gas available in northern WA etc? And what is the liters per 100 K's?
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 09:18

Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 09:18
Gas is generally available right round Aussie land but off the beaten track gets hard to find , its not an issue really , just something you plan for, you could expect to be using gas around 80% of the time and a lot more in Tassie land.

The 4500 GU is a bit thirster but 20-22lt/100km is about what you could expect giving a gas range of 350-400km (most have 90 useable liters).

We have 3 1/2 GU's here at the moment and the Gas 4800 one can actually deliver 19lt/100km at 100kmh as it has a free flowing exhaust system and uses injected gas.
Earlier verisons used mixers and are not as good.

With a typical gas/diesel price ratio of 2.3 to 1 here then its by far the cheapset fuel - but I repeat that gas is only as good as its installers and car must be checked for gas related issues up front.



The Adventra we used went all the way to Lake Eyre from Melb and it only had a 50lt useable tank , towing a big yacht we only had a range of 250km which meant for frequent stops and I hate this but as you get older you need the more frequent Loo stops .
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Follow Up By: Johnnytasman - Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 09:46

Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 09:46
where is the one for $13K!? Can't find one for under $15.
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Reply By: Bob W5 - Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 09:14

Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 09:14
Hi Johnny. I've recently returned from a 3 month trip towing my 16 foot caravan, from Melb to Kununurra via Alice Springs, Tanami road, Kununurra, Northern Highway to Broome then down the west coast home. On 2 seperate occasions I pulled into Halls creek and then Warmun (Turkey creek roadhouse) LPG pumps were closed ...? In Kununurra most of the time LPG was available. After Kununurra most fuel stations had LPG pumps, some had simply run out. Petrol price was around the $1.80 to $ 2.10 per litre.. LPG was around $ 1.16 to $1.30 per litre. I drive a supercharged dual fuel 100 series cruiser. I've owned many different makes of vehicles, and landcruiser is the most comfortable touring vehicle for me. I can sit sit in it and drive everyday without discomfort. Mine isn't the most economical vehicle, but it pulls like a freight train and has never let me down.
(Touch wood.) Lol. I hope this helps.
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Follow Up By: Johnnytasman - Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 09:30

Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 09:30
thanks for the post. At a guess what percentage did you run on LPG and what was the cost and lLts per 100K's on the Cruiser with gas?
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Follow Up By: Bob W5 - Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 16:56

Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 16:56
Johnny, The figures that Robin quoted are pretty close to the mark for my cruiser as well, not towing of course. My old GQ 4.2 dual fuel returned the same figures that Robin quoted as well. I filled up with gas a every opportunity I had, even if I still had half a tank. It was my cheapest option . All the best.
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Reply By: The Bantam - Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:49

Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:49
If this boat is fairly small and you are traveling two up.
Think about an extracab 01 to 05 hilux in 2.7 litre petrol.....put it on gas if you must....but there is less & less reason these days.

It will be way more economical that the big 6 cylinder diesels and will go way better than any of the small diesels of the era even the turbos.

The extracab will let you put the seat back and recline properly...unlike both the landcruser and patroll utes where you sit nearly bolt upright unless you are under 5 foot.

As for the ride...well you need to carry some other gear..... a good canopy a few hundred KG in the tray and some decent shocks and it'll be fine.

AND you can still get an 8 foot tray on an extracab.....though better of with a 6 or 7 footer.

cheers
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Reply By: GeeVee - Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:55

Sunday, Sep 22, 2013 at 12:55
You will pick up a 4X4 Holden Rodeo for the money you are looking at. They were built by Isuzu and the 2.8 diesel is bulletproof. There are still a lot of earlier models on the road and a well maintained engine will be good for several hundred 1000 kms.

Cheers,
Greg
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Follow Up By: Penchy - Monday, Sep 23, 2013 at 13:31

Monday, Sep 23, 2013 at 13:31
no engine is bullet proff. We helped a guy at Stockton on the weekend with a blown head gasket in his 2.8 rodeo
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Reply By: Penchy - Monday, Sep 23, 2013 at 13:34

Monday, Sep 23, 2013 at 13:34
Judging from your responses to people suggestions you have already done some research. No-one here is going to tell you anything new that will decide which car your going to buy. How about you go look at a few, get the good ones inspected and buy the best one. Tell everyone all about the trip when you get back.
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Follow Up By: Johnnytasman - Monday, Sep 23, 2013 at 22:05

Monday, Sep 23, 2013 at 22:05
yes good advice. I have done some treks in my life starting with one in 1970 from London to India in a VW bus!

This trip I probably would like to do it in a BMW X5. But I daren't post that. The Toyota and Pajero lovers would have coniptions!
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