Sunday, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:17
Rockape - I dunno about anyone else, but I'd be disappointed if I bought a new heavy duty diesel truck today and I couldn't get at least 1.6M Kms out the engine before overhaul.
Does DD's "B50 rating" mean that 50% of their engines will blow up before they even get halfway thorough their projected lifespan?? Doesn't sound like anything to brag about, to me.
I've seen numerous KT450 Cummins in KW's with 2.5M kms on the clock and they were still completely original, and they still ran like clockwork! - and the KT450's don't have CR injection, turbo-compounding, complex electronics, and EGR!
It seems that all the DD engine owners I speak to, reckon 800,000kms is the overhaul life of the 60 series - and they're happy with that, because they only cost $30K to rebuild!
Sounds to me, like DD have never aimed for anything else but the cheap end of the truck market.
I'll wager that the current crop of engines that are producing vast amounts of HP from small capacities will never reach the engine lifespan of any of the older, less stressed engines.
Typical of this scenario is the 4.2L TD42 Nissan diesel - they commonly get to 400,000 kms before overhaul - yet the 3.0L ZD30 rarely seems to reach 250,000kms before they're in serious need of overhaul - and you only need an electronic part failure to reduce engine life and performance.
Oxygen sensors getting coated with oil fumes are a classic failure in modern engine design - and God help you, if even the smallest miniscule "foreign body" in the shape of a micron-size piece of dirt, enters a CR injection system - you'l be up for serious $$$'s in overhaul costs, if that happens.
I can recall my brother running his HJ61 on a mixture of engine oil and lighting kero when we ran out of diesel supplies. The old 12HT wasn't bothered in the least by the mixture and ran happily on it for about 2000kms.
Try that with a CR system and you'd find the ECM would shut the whole engine down because set viscosity parameters weren't being met - or the injection system would suffer serious damage, because the
fuel didn't meet the manufacturers exceptionally tight specifications.
Caterpillar have two terms to describe engine design - high tolerance design, and low tolerance design.
High tolerance engines have the ability to tolerate wide variations in settings,
fuel types, clearances, operating conditions, and general abuse.
Low tolerance engines have NO ability to tolerate even slight variations in settings,
fuel types, clearances, operating conditions, and general abuse.
I know what category the modern, high-tech, CR injection, electronic engines fall into!
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Sunday, Sep 29, 2013 at 13:07
Sunday, Sep 29, 2013 at 13:07
Ron,
I don't believe blowing up was mentioned. It was 50% will need a rebuild before 1.6 million K and 50% will go to 1.6 million K and beyond.
I have heard all the never touched big K stories and I have also seen 2 Ci5 cat engines with only 1 weeks use, put big holes in their sumps. Early 60's had problems and so did Signatures until they were ironed out.
I don't wish to get into a discussion on cat, cummins, detroit or any other engine. I will post a link to the expected life of Heavy engines their. The life is gauged on if you replace any internal parts of the engine. So this would even include an inframe rebuild.
I wonder how these late model engines are getting big K's then. One of the most abusive operating conditions are in underground mines, where they are pulling max loads up 1 in 6 and 1 in 7 grades 24 hours a day in dusty, corrosive and damp conditions all rolled up in one.
Expected engine life
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