Wednesday, Oct 09, 2013 at 21:45
String -
Well, like so many ideas, there are pros and cons for both. What we're all looking for is something that has excellent sealing against dirt and water, is low maintenance, reasonably priced, tells us when a bearing is getting crook, is as friction free as possible, and is something we can get parts for easily.
Grease comprises lube oil held in
suspension in a "filler" compound - usually a metallic or synthetic soap (polyurea) compound that is stable and has properties that suit its designed use. If grease is left sitting for an extended time, the oil tends to drain out of the filler compound.
You can get greases that resist high temperatures, that resist water-washout, that resist chemicals, and greases that are thick or thin. Thick greases stay in place better, thin greases flow better around surfaces to be lubed. Thick greases have higher levels of friction.
Oil baths for bearings are usually best when fairly constant turning is the order of the day. Thus you see oil bath bearings on Interstate trucks, because they're moving constantly. The small reduction in friction of an oil bath bearing pays off only with high annual kms.
The biggest failure point in wheel bearings is the inner seal. It cops a hiding from
debris, sand, stones, and general road trash thrown up by the tow vehicles wheels. Once the inner seal fails, dirt finds its way in to the inner bearing and it fails rapidly.
Water ingress into the bearing is another huge problem. Once water gets inside the hub, and the trailer or 'van sits for a week or two, corrosion starts in the bearing race or rollers. Bearing failure soon occurs once these surfaces corrode.
An oil-filled hub has somewhat better sealing than a greased hub, because it's fully sealed, and the oil is lubricating the seal surfaces constantly.
Grease tends to be a poorer lubricator of seal lips and seal surfaces.
It's harder to get water inside an oil-filled hub, as compared to a greased hub.
However, any moisture getting inside an oil-filled bearing hub, is going to cause corrosion, exactly the same as a greased hub.
As far as bearing failure indications go, oil-filled hubs do give you an ability to see bearing flecks in the oil, and thus be alerted to a potential or imminent bearing failure.
Greased hubs show little sign of impending bearing failure, as many people have ruefully found, when a trailer or caravan wheel suddenly falls off. Regular bearing checking and bearing maintenance is crucial for greased hubs. I have never lost a trailer or caravan wheel, because I
check wheel bearings frequently.
In all my years of trailer and caravan ownership and use (about 46 yrs from memory), I found one thing that was of major advantage in preventing greased trailer and caravan bearing failures.
That one thing was - installing a thick (10mm), large diameter (same diameter as the inner seal) heavily-greased felt washer, tightly on the axle inside of the hub, right up against the inner seal surface.
This heavily-greased felt washer then acts as a labyrinth-style face seal, that physically protects the inner lip-type seal, and which also acts as an additional barrier to dirt and water ingress.
Essentially, the grease-style hubs are a cheap, proven concept, that works effectively, and which are highly suitable for reasonably regular intermittent use. You can improve on the reliability of these style of hubs by adding the felt seal as I previously mentioned.
The oil-filled hubs are higher initial cost, and can yield small fuel consumption savings when high useage is common (regular, high kms). They offer a somewhat higher chance of detecting bearing failure, that is not available with a greased hub - and they do offer a higher level of sealing against water entry into the hub, if you do a lot of deep water crossings or boat launching.
Greased hubs have ready availability almost anywhere, whereas oil-filled hubs are less-readily found when spares are needed. I would
hazard an educated guess, there's less need to repair oil-filled hubs. The window in oil filled hubs is perspex, as I understand, not glass, and I cannot recall ever having seen one broken. I'd imagine you'd have to do something out-of-the-ordinary to break one.
Cheers, Ron.
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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 07:42
Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 07:42
Good post Ron.
I also wonder about the window not being glass. I have seen many that it has to be difficult to see the oil level. Could they have been made from a plastic that has discoloured.
We do not tow any more so it is not an issue my us. But an interesting read anyway.
Phil
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 17:07
Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 17:07
Gday Phil, How do you find the roof top tent? Michael
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 17:09
Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 17:09
The Durahub is polycarbonate plastic! Michael
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 17:27
Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 17:27
Just to clarify, the window in the Durahub is Polycarbonate plastic! Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 17:28
Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 17:28
Hi Michael. Grreeaatt photo bye the way.
The only, I stress only, issue that we have with it, and for the moment it is not a real problem, is that you can't set up
camp and then go for a drive. The tent has a habit of "coming along". It gets quite attached to the owner you know. One could set up a tent if one wishes and then one could go for a drive and return to the tent. But for the moment to us it is the best we have used up untill now for our touring trips. We rarely stay in one place for more than a night. If we do then we stay nearby in a cabin etc. Hey! Don't knock it. At our age,
well MY age, a little extra comfort goes a long way.
Catchya
Those annexes are handy hey!
Phil
How does this one look! The middle of the Simpson.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 19:37
Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 19:37
Thanks Phil, That
pic is pretty close to
home,
Boat Harbour near Kurnell. We don't normally stay in one place but a while back we stayed at the Warrumbungles for 4 days and we did a lot of walking to avoid packing up the Roof Tent every day. We run the engine for 30 minutes a day to charge the battery to keep the fridge going! i enjoy not towing much any more as the kids get older but there is a bit of work in setting up and pulling down the tent.
Regards Michael
Apologies to String,I didn't mean to hijack your thread..
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 19:40
Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 19:40
Simpson looks great! But not now, its a bit too hot at the moment!! LOL!
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Follow Up By: Member - PJR (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 21:54
Thursday, Oct 10, 2013 at 21:54
We now have three batteries under the bonnet. One main one isolated with Redarc isolator from two in direct parallel which have their own fused distribution system for the accessories. Ah yes. We also run two fridges for the lllooonnnggg trips. Got to have my choc coated ice creme for sweets. Nah The little one is purely used as a freezer. System works for us.
Our auto elec who works on th car has only just returned from there. Should go and see how he went.
Here is an exploded view of that
camp. 7AM at the west end of the WAA line.
Phil
I am going to shot for this:
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