Tuesday, Oct 15, 2013 at 22:14
old track mate, you have just shown how little you know about electrical standards in the real world
IF like the majority of electricians you believe all you need is AS3000 you are very much mistaken.
EVERY full ticket electricain should have daily and immediate access to AS A MINIMUM
AS3000 SAA Wiring rules.
AS3008 Electrical installations, selection of cables
AS3100 Approval and
test specification- general requirements for electrical equipment.
AS3760 In service safety inspection and testing of electrical equipment.
Every full ticket electricain should carry copies of the above in their van or if confined to a building or site, available for immediate reference.
You can not work to rule as an electrician without a comprehensive knowelege and daily access to these 4 standards....minimum
If you are involved in other activities, are further qualified than the certificate 3 basic trade or you are an employer or contractor the list of standards you realy should have just becomes mind blowing.
Back 20 years ago when I was working for and with a few electricains and had mates that where
young electricians, every one of them I worked with or knew, had a dog eared copy of AS3000 close to hand, good employers gave a copy to an apprentice with his first pair of pliers...back then the tables in 3008 where in 3000.
But that was before australian standards where commercialised and the price of standards skyrocketed to the current rediculous state.
Front many electricians these days and they will not even be able to produce a current copy of AS 3000....some are still scratching their heads and wondering where the tables now in 3008 went.
I know several electricains who rely on their yellow covered 1991 copy of 3000 for the tables that are not in the newer versions and you have to pay more for....if ya know 3008 exists.
Then there is the issue of the cryptic nature of AS3000 after the 1991 edition.....back when the book was yellow it was reasonably easy to read and understand how the work should be done, now most electricains need either " engineering advice" or a crystal ball.
No wonder so many older electricains still cling to their old yellow 1991 edition of AS3000
I am not a full ticket licencee, but I do own ( have paid for with my own money) recent copies of the above.
But I do not have the very latest....add a couple more specific standards of intererst to me and it will cost me over $1000 to replace those standards....go price them if you like.
That is over $1000 for six paperback books, some of them with less than 20 pages and 6 of those pages may have useful information on them.
I do have and do carry current copies of communications standards and telstra "authorisation to alter".
Which BY the way are free to down load, as all standards should be.
As for working on boats, unless you are working on commercial shipping or small boats subject to survey....there is no applicable or compulsory standard for Extra low voltage wiring in boats in Australia....AS3000 series prevails for "electrician's work".
As for those who sit on the comittees for standards......some of those comittees are very small.
Unlike most high priced Australian Standards, the communications standards actually list the names of those on the committe and who they work for, in the back.
The communications industry walked away from Australian standards years ago, because the process was simply too slow and expensive AND Australian Standards made such a mess of the first attempt at the communications standards.
So, ya got a list of names for the AS3000 comittee and what vested interests they represent....bet ya there is no one form outside the main line electrical industry
As for useless standards.
years ago when I got into
TV antenna installation, I actually baught the standards.....
well, what I could not get out of the Hills catalogue was pretty
well comprehensivly ignored in the industry and remains so today.
Those doing work for any of the pay TV carriers, don't give a rats about the AS standard for TV systems......they care about S009 the communications standard ( did I mention that it is free) and the documents they get from the carrier they contract for.
People wonder why we have such massive compliance problems out in the real world.
Perhaps if the standards where better written and they where available at a reasonable cost, people coul be bothered with them things would be better.
cheers
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