Big tyres & fuel consumption
Submitted: Thursday, Nov 07, 2013 at 19:44
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Member - KeithB
A lot of people say that bigger diameter tyres on a 4WD will result in heavier fuel consumption of 1-2 l/100 km above stock tyres. But I wonder if anyone is correcting their odometer reading to allow for the larger tyres.
My SST Max 33s are 841 mm diameter and the old Geolander tyres were 804mm. So I multiply whatever fuel consumption figure I now get by 804/841 to get the correct figure.
When I do that, I get the same mileage out of every litre of fuel over the last 5,000 km that I did with the smaller tyres.
Disregarding progressive tyre wear, does than make sense?
Reply By: Nutta - Thursday, Nov 07, 2013 at 20:09
Thursday, Nov 07, 2013 at 20:09
Im hopeless with math but I know when I went up to 33s on the patrol it used a fair bit more juice.
After going up 40mm on the colorado the speedo is identical to the gps which is great, not sure if it uses more juice though, would have to though, odometer, not sure?
Power didn't suffer to much on either of them though, the collie still flies!
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Reply By: Ross M - Thursday, Nov 07, 2013 at 20:32
Thursday, Nov 07, 2013 at 20:32
Generally a vehicle fitted with bigger tyres will use a bit more fuel.
It all depends on how the manufacture set the gearing for the torque and also the way the injection happens at that speed to get the torque.
At some speeds it may be worse and at others a bit better because the use of the fuel energy relative to distance travelled is the critical factor. This combined with various loads also has an effect.
Manufacturers settings & sizes are a compromise for all round normal use, once outside that it could go either way.
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Reply By: 08crd - Thursday, Nov 07, 2013 at 21:27
Thursday, Nov 07, 2013 at 21:27
It is a very interesting subject.
I put larger diameter tyres on my car, which made the speedo exactly correct and the odometer 6% slow i.e when I do 100klm I actually have done 106klm.
I found a good way to
check the odometer was by checking it against measured distances, between small targets, like the klm posts on the roadside.
Travelling from
Perth to the North or the East, gives heaps of opportunity to
check the speedo, also kills a bit of time.lol
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Follow Up By: Member - KeithB - Thursday, Nov 07, 2013 at 21:42
Thursday, Nov 07, 2013 at 21:42
My speedo and odometer both read 4% low against a measured 5km distance of the freeway. So it really does look like the bigger tyres make little or no difference.
The tread on these is much more aggressive which I'd expect to increase fuel consumption. But the carcass is a lot less flexible which may compensate.
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Follow Up By: 08crd - Thursday, Nov 07, 2013 at 22:36
Thursday, Nov 07, 2013 at 22:36
I meant more like a distance of 100 - 200 klm, not 5km. The error will become more accurate over a longer distance.
We travel from
Perth to Kalgoorlie quite a lot, so I zero the odo at a klm post, eg Kal 160klm then
check the odo as the mile post count down. After about 100klm you start to get a definite error.
I also do the same process when going across the nullarbor or when heading North, it passes the time and confirms your assumptions.
A tire size calculator such as this one will give you basic info on speedo correction.
http://www.1010tires.com/Tools/Tire-Size-Calculator
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Reply By: CSeaJay - Friday, Nov 08, 2013 at 00:08
Friday, Nov 08, 2013 at 00:08
Keithb
I did correct my odo in my calculations and yes there is a 1to 2 l/100km difference based on real distance travelled.
This has been confirmed by several people on Lcool. But is must also be said that the 200's consumption is susceptible to change. This includes bullbar roofrack etc.
It may depend on the car you drive as to how much difference, but it will be more: more power needed to accelerate, bigger rolling resistance, heavier as
well,
CJ
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Follow Up By: 08crd - Friday, Nov 08, 2013 at 00:20
Friday, Nov 08, 2013 at 00:20
Not necassarily a lot will depend on the final drive gearing. If for example your car has a low final drive gearing that doesn't complement the engines torque curve, it may benefit fron taller tyres.
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Follow Up By: Bazooka - Friday, Nov 08, 2013 at 10:17
Friday, Nov 08, 2013 at 10:17
In theory that's true 08crd but you would have to know exactly what the primary considerations by vehicle manufacturer were when they designed the vehicle and programmed the ems. The ems will (should) have been optimised for "all round" performance with the standard tyres and wheels so any changes you make will result in some "inefficiency dividend", again in theory.
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Reply By: The Bantam - Friday, Nov 08, 2013 at 08:57
Friday, Nov 08, 2013 at 08:57
The OP does
well to bring up the odometer error introduced in the calculations, that I am sure many do not consider.
As others have said there are so many factors.
Size, weight, type of motor and how
well the vehicle was optomised in the first place.
Then there is terain.
A steeper gear ratio due to larger tyres would advantage a vehicle running on flat terain and or a lighter loaded one and or one that is lighter with a smaller motor.
I expect to see less difference in a diesel than a petrol motor.
If the terain was hilly, particularly consistently uphill, I'd expect larger tyres to be more of a disadvantege, particularly in a heavier vehicle or heavier loaded.
Out on the highway, where acceleration and enertia are less of a cost there will be less difference, but in the city with lots of acceleration and deceleration, the overgeraing may cost some vehicles considerably.
Then there is the question of how much increases in size....modest size increases are more likley to make bugger all difference...where as substantial tyre and wheel size increases are likley to make far more difference.
cheers
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