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Glenno is a good question with all of our trucks. Truckster gave a pointer a couple of weeks back to a video of a sports car being pulled apart by a snatch, but really how many of us have capable enough recovery hooks front and rear.

I have a hook on the rear but has it the recovery strength of a solid strap, like wise on the one on the front provided in manufacturer. On the rear the tow bar seems stronger in the snatch department than is the hook I have on the chassis, but generally is regarded as a no-no for the potential of the ball to be a missile.

I have not answered your question there but posed more. On my old cruiser I had two recovery hooks on top of the chassis..........Regards

JohnR - Not enough of the right travelling, some here..... some over there.......

You attach the snatchblock to what you are anchored to (tree or another vehicle)then bring your winch line out and through the snatchblock and back to your vehicles recovery point.....Which will prob be one or two of those eyes in your bullbar........
If you are using two blocks then the second block will be anchored to your vehicle....

I think that was your question?___________________________________
Simpson trip 05/04 then turn left at Birdsville to Darwin via Lawn Hill etc
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I always use the eyes under my arb bullbar...... I normally (when i am not panicking) run a single tree protector (doubled) from each of my eyes to a common single point to winch from.___________________________________
Simpson trip 05/04 then turn left at Birdsville to Darwin via Lawn Hill etc
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Glenno - I'm no genius, but here's my two cents worth.......

First of all, I assume you meant snatch strap - as opposed to snatch block - since you're talking about an equalising strap?

Without knowing you're setup, I'm not sure how far away from your chassis rails "3 inches from the uprights" is.

Here's what I reckon:

1. Recovery hooks are the best option, because it eliminates the need for shackles between your strap and the eyes under your bar.

2. If you don't have this option, then use shackles to join your strap to the eyes.
This is still very safe - just not as safe as option 1.

I would not have a problem fitting recovery hooks to a bullbar -

- providing they were done in such a fashion that the full strength of the bar was not effected

- and providing that they were pulling straight from the chassis rails

Personally, I think that the best way to go is to end up with two recovery hooks and two eyes at each end of the vehicle - then ALL options are covered.

At the moment I just have two hooks - which i had to fit myself - at each end and no provision for eyes.

Cheers, Jim

"Lead, Follow.....or get out of the way!!"

Glenno

If the bar is what I think it is and I'm fairly confident that is the case, I would suggest you use a sling attached to both eyes with the cable attached to the midpoint of same.

It is my understanding the eyes to which you refer are rated as recovery points BUT not necessarily snatching points.

The theory being that whilst they MAY not be capable of withstanding snatch forces, they are adequate for a lesser and gradually applied force as in the case of winching.

The other factor is that they can be monitored under this gradually applied force insomuch as any deformation will be gradual and obvious to you as you stand nearby operating the winch. In this event you obviously back off at the first sign of deformation as the steel has gone past the elastic range where it reverts to its original shape with a reduction in stress.

Steel will deform significantly under load prior to fracture.

Only my opinion, but I think it answers your question ??

CheersFidei defensor

Rosco

I always use the chassis hooks , this way , is bomething lets go , only the hook becomes the projectile , and I dont rip off half my bull bar . If you have a tree trunk protector , run it through your bull bar and attach each end to the tow hooks , so if they break of they dont go far

I hope this helps Venus Bay

glenno

Troopies came out with 2 factory fitted recovery points as stanard. Unfortunateley when the bull was fitted the recovery points were removed. Recovery points that are bolted to the chassis rails are in the strongest postion. The eyes under the bar were ment for recovery but I heard ARB did't recommend the use of the eyes because they were bending in when a bridle was attached. They then reinforced the eye by weldjng another large washer onthe eye to make it thicker. A recovery point which is close to or bolted to the chassis rail should be the first choise of recovery points

Wayne

4WD Warehouse has an aluminium fitting that goes into the channel section of your towbar, once you remove the towball and bar, which is held in place with the towbar pin and allows your to attach a rated shackle to it.

Just a quick quest the eyed type recovery points at the front of the bullbar should run vertical or horizontal
thanks Neil GONE WOOP-WOOP

Glenno,

An idea. Could you drill a hole( or use a gas axe ) next to your winch on the bullbar and fit a whatever rated eye. Weld a plate to both sides of the bar to give more strength. Then you can hook up to it when using a snatchblock.

Cheers,

Willem
Out on the Gibber

Glenno,

Don't take this the wrong way dude, but doing some driver training with a club would be very advantagous to you. These are basic things they go through. You can join a club, do the training and P off if you dont want the club lifestyle.. But do it, it will be very helpful.. Lots of basic things you will learn.

They go through ALL of this stuff, from start to finish, show you what to improve in the way of recovery points.

Anyway
You need to go from your winch, through the snatch block, which is anchored to the tree, back to a rated recovery point on your car for the hook.

If you dont have one or are not sure, take a trip to local 4b shop they will assist you. Basically creating an 'A' Shape.

Get it right, it can be lethal to get this wrong, people have died phukin it up.

don't take this the worng way either

But.... Arb and others have been known to be wrong in the past.

Not knowing the shape of your bar...

I have a troopy that has had an ARB bar and now a TJM one, the recovery hooks can be bolted in by using longer HT bolts where the bar joins the chassis rail.

I aslo hire troopies all the time, with a variety of bars on them, and I have not yet come across a bar that prevents this style of attachment.

The hooks do not have to be vertical, they can be mounted horizontally (as the mounting for the origonal recovery eyes would have been.

Believe me, it is possible, just find someone who actually wants the work!!

and at the rear, remove the tongue and use the hitch reciever, have never seen or heard of a reciever pin being bent>

I sugest you do what I did took a look and imediatly fitted tow bar to the front as well as the back do not like the way my toyota did not conect accros the front attached strong nudge bar for my arials only worried about radiator dont travel fast enough to worry about the rest

frank

ps hate snatching prefer to use shovel if can think to many do it to quickCBS
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