200 Series V8 Turbo Diesel Power Outlets - Confusion
Submitted: Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 14:15
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Macka MM
Dear Members, Last week I bought a new 2013 VDJ 200 R series Landcruiser wagon. Disappointed I was to find only two 12 Volt/120 watt plug in points. Then joy upon joy I saw down the back this this big three pin plug point, marked 220 Volt AC with a conditioning comment only for use by accessories that use less than 100 Watts. Great that' where I'll plug in my Engel Fridge.??
Mentioned this to a mate with an earlier 2010 model, Nah his fridge wont work properly using this 220V point and keeps cutting out. Further discussion with Bill my Auto electrician. He just laughed when I asked what can I use it for.
Clearly I must be Technologically inept. What can I use this 220V three pin AC plug point precisely for. No rude comments please. I intend re wiring the 12 volt points with a heavier wire directly back to the twin shortly to be 12v gel deep cycle batteries via a Redarc controlling gismo. So I can have my fridge on 24/7 if needed, and not drain the batteries.
MY mate also is interested in your comments
Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 14:50
Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 14:50
"What can I use this 220V three pin AC plug point precisely for?"
Nothing. Current draw limitations are too low.
As soon as you fit a set of drawers it will be covered up anyway.
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Reply By: Allan B (Member, SunCoast) - Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 14:52
Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 14:52
Hi Macka,
Clearly the existing 220v outlet is incapable of supplying the demand of your fridge. Even though Toyota may rate it as 100 watts the fridge probably demands more than that during the compressor starting phase. Probably the only things worth connecting to this outlet would be low-rated chargers for phones and the like.
Even if that 220v outlet could handle your fridge, it is not a desirable way to do so. The 220vac is generated from your vehicle battery via an inverter which is only maybe 80% efficient so it is better to supply the fridge with 12v directly with less load on the battery.
Just be sure to use adequate cable size, and a fuse, for the run to your new outlet.
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Reply By: Member - LeighW - Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 14:56
Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 14:56
Assuming your fridge uses less than 100W when starting and running on 220V and it doesn't mind running on a, I assume modified sine wave output then yes you can run the fridge off the outlet. However not that due to conversion losses it will use more current running off the inverter than it would running directly off of 12V and will still flatten your batteries, just somewhat faster! Another issue is you will most likely find the outlet only works with the ignition on.
Leigh
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Follow Up By: Ross M - Sunday, Dec 01, 2013 at 11:27
Sunday, Dec 01, 2013 at 11:27
Everyone follows the makers and calls it Modified Sine wave. It is actually a square wave which has modified to very roughly approximate a sort of what might be called a SINE WAVE. And very rough it is too.
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Reply By: Ross M - Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 15:02
Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 15:02
Gee, the name BILL isn't a good one for an auto Electrician!!!
First up, you would not use any type of inverter whether fitted by manufacturer or your self to power a fridge of any type.
Just a plain waste of power. The fact it won't/may not run it is of little consequence.
It would be
12v inverted to 240vac and then dropped down by transformer to around 12 v dc for the power unit in the fridge to switch and create an alternating dc supply of 20 to 22v which runs the Engels compressor sliding piston. Use just 12v so it only uses the last bit to power the comp.
Ideally you should have a mirror in the back of the 200 so you can see the results the shaver is giving you. It is possibly designed for items like that.
You could use it to run plug packs for camera batteries etc. even some laptop 240v supplies go close to the max of 100w and they are best run from a 12v dc/dc converter.
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Follow Up By: Member - Russler - Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 16:17
Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 16:17
+1
I expect it's just suitable for recharging battery powered appliances, eg. shavers, toothbrushes, mobile phones, rechargeable battery chargers, etc.
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Follow Up By: Macka MM - Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 21:27
Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 21:27
Many thanks for your time and effort and comments to Phil G; Russler;
Ross M; Leigh W; Allan B & Gone Bush. BTW Bill picked it in one, identified all your problems. I thought he was joking, I couldn't see why a manufacturer who puts out an excellent product would put such a useless item in such a great car. Bill is an expert, Auto electricians with problems they cant solve go to him. Great input from all you guys.
Many Thanks
PS: Can I use the cigarette lighter socket next to the ash tray up front as a 12v 120watt ouput point
Regards Mick
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Sunday, Dec 01, 2013 at 09:40
Sunday, Dec 01, 2013 at 09:40
The reason for putting it there....... A lot of people have small power 240v gear like phone and camera charges, shavers and a raft of others the use.
If Toyota made it bigger you would have people running fridges, microwaves, bread makers and other high powered devices and then complain they have flat batteries and when braking heavily getting hit in the head by something weighing 3kg.
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Sunday, Dec 01, 2013 at 09:44
Sunday, Dec 01, 2013 at 09:44
BTW..... Spend the dough and stop skimping and get it done properly and you will have no problems.
You spent good money buying a great vehicle but you don't won't to spend a small amount getting it right.
And if you disappointed sell it and buy something else.... Maybe a Nissan.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 16:36
Saturday, Nov 30, 2013 at 16:36
Macka,
Yep, it's only a 100 watt inverter and only powered when the motor is running.
You have 2x12V oultlets in the front console and a 3rd outlet in the centre console down near the floor. They are powered on ACC. Fitting extra outlets on the rear is pretty easy - can either mount them in the back panels or even on the inside of the 3rd row cupholders or storage spaces.
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Reply By: Stone Stomper - Sunday, Dec 01, 2013 at 08:05
Sunday, Dec 01, 2013 at 08:05
Before I made the drawers and installed the third battery in the back our Engel ran fine off the 220v mains plug.
Christian
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Monday, Dec 02, 2013 at 13:49
Monday, Dec 02, 2013 at 13:49
A laptop charger, Ipod Charger etc is about it but we all know you can do this via the 12v outlets also. I have never used
mine and would think converting it a high amperage 12v outlet would be better served.
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