The ongoing coleman fuel supply shortage issue...
Submitted: Monday, Jan 13, 2014 at 20:44
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Ron173
G'day to those who know me from a while back n g'day to those who don't :)
So being an avid coleman dual fuel user... historically I've used a can of coleman in my northstar lantern and powerhouse stove from time to time, and used unleaded in between.
For some time now, coleman fuel has not been available anywhere in oz, unless you score some old stock somewhere, so been using unleaded for a while, a long while.... and long story short, the sooting is getting a bit bad and I need to change fuels.
I ran a bit of shellite, after reading from a coleman rep that its ok (and basically coleman fuel is shellite with anti corrosion inhibiters added, his words not
mine) but a litre cost me $8 for the diggers stuff in Bunnings!! that's a bit much!!
Between my lantern and stove, scoffed that quick smart on a week long
camp.. so..
I'm looking for a good supplier of shellite that's not ridiculously priced, so far I've found best deal at blackwoods, $105 for 20ltrs. Anyone better this?
Also I've 'heard' that using premium unleaded doesn't soot.. anyone confirm??
Interested in anyones experiences and constructive comments on what fuels they are running in coleman dual fuel devices.
Cheers ... :) :)
Reply By: The Bantam - Monday, Jan 13, 2014 at 22:53
Monday, Jan 13, 2014 at 22:53
Here is the story, both coleman fuel and shellite are white spirit (additives...um ..maybee), sometimes refered to as dry cleaning fluid.
Dry cleaning has moved on a bit and they often use more sofisticated blends for cleaning clothes.
White spirit is basicly the clean white unadulterated solvent that is the basis for a number of solvents and fuels.
You can argue semantics but, white spirit forms the bulk of what we know as petrol, it is also the basis of mineral turps, and most paint thinners contain a large percentge of " hydrocarbon solvent"
If you are buying shellite you are paying for the rights to use the name....
check the difference in price between Diggers brand white spirit and shellite on the shelf right next to it.
At one time shellite used to have a yellow dye in it to make it distinct from kerro that still is blue......not sure about now.
I don't have a fuel stove but I use white spirit for a number of purposes....it is an excelent cleaning solvent that evaporates leaving no residue...I use it for cleaning delicate mechanical items like fishing reels.
Used as a thinner in varnish it performs better than mineral turps, because the lack of the oily component tends to have less of a problem clouding the finish.
I can comment from experience but I expect white spirit would burn cleaner in stoves than petrol because, there will be no lubricants, detergents or other additives in it.
Now the problem with white spirit is getting it in big enough containers and getting a decent price.....for the quantity I need I still buy in litres....though it irks me.
It seems to be either retail packaged or in industrial volumes.
Apparantly some bunnings will get 4 litres in for you but you may have to buy a box of 4.
I have not found a line on 20 litre drums handy.
A friend of
mine in
melbourne buys it by the 44, but he manufactures wood work finishes.
make what you can from this info
cheers
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Monday, Jan 13, 2014 at 22:55
Monday, Jan 13, 2014 at 22:55
correction due to inability to edit posts
I can't comment from experience but I expect white spirit would burn cleaner in stoves than petrol because, there will be no lubricants, detergents or other additives in it.
cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - OnYaBike - Tuesday, Jan 14, 2014 at 01:15
Tuesday, Jan 14, 2014 at 01:15
I bought 20 litres of Shellite or its equivalent at the local
Caltex depot a couple of years ago for around $60. It's nearly finished so I will look into the white spirit or premium unleaded alternative and I may be able to buy in smaller amounts. At the time buying Coleman fuel or small amounts of Shellite was up to $7 a litre.
My plan was to take a few litres of Shellite and use unleaded fuel from servos if that ran out. So far I haven't had to use unleaded.
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Follow Up By: Brian 01 - Tuesday, Jan 14, 2014 at 07:34
Tuesday, Jan 14, 2014 at 07:34
Shellite, white spirit etc. are just Naptha, which used to be available in bulk from paint suppliers. There was talk some years ago about banning it but I am unaware of whether that went ahead. Maybe an enquiry at your local paint store might yield results.
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Follow Up By: The Bantam - Tuesday, Jan 14, 2014 at 23:45
Tuesday, Jan 14, 2014 at 23:45
Naptha is a term that is understood differently in Australia than in the US, like a many chemical names.
Never heard of any move or reason to ban white spirit, it is one of the cleanest and safest hydrocarbon solvents available.
It is cleaner, less volotile, less poisonous and less environmentally damaging than plain ordinary petrol...and I don't see em banning that in a hurry.
If White spirit was to be banned it would be necessary to ban mineral turps and a range of other products.
Most paint shops in australia would not have a clue what white spirit is....I have tried a number of outlets including several trade paint outlets...all I got where blank looks.
I used to get a couple of US woodwork trade magazines....the use of variuos solvents in finish products seems to be reasonably commonly discussed and various basic solvents seem to be easily available.....but in australia the trade have no clue....its either water, mineral turps or "thinnners"
My local refinish suppies knew what it was, But could not access the product in quantity, unless I was buying a pallet of 20's or a 44..
Cheers
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Reply By: Ron173 - Tuesday, Jan 14, 2014 at 08:28
Tuesday, Jan 14, 2014 at 08:28
Thanks for all the great info here, to summarise, as said above, Blackwoods do 20ltr shellite for $105,
however, thanks to info here and some digging,
Mobil depot sell an equivelant, but its called R55, and comes in at a respectable $69/20ltr,(that's a local price, so may vary nationally) happy with that, that's $3.45/ltr which is far more reasonable than $8 for the brand named shellite.
Hope this helps others with a similar quest.
Again thanks to all.
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